On Sun, 2017-10-29 at 10:34 +0000, John D. Ament wrote: > Hi All, > [chop]
OK, I'm going to try and braindump some of this. I expect this may tread on some toes: feel free to shoot me down. At the start of Milagro, I think it fair to say I was acting as a bridge between Miracl and Apache. I was on Miracl's slack channels, and was routinely pinged there on matters concerning Milagro. Some of those I could easily deal with; others were OK but should really have been handled on-list, while another category kind-of saw me as a proxy sysop for Apache resources. I tried to pull back gradually from this role, pointing out the need for project decisions and discussion around them to happen on-list, and that non-trivial questions concerning Process and Infrastructure needed to be raised on general@. The latter was problematic, as I was not always well-placed to represent either ASF (/infra) or Milagro to each other (more below). However, I felt we were making little progress, and when my slack access suddenly disappeared (I don't know if that was intentional), I concluded it was probably for the best that communication be forced to other channels. But communication had more-or-less dried up, and so it has remained. The last time I tried/hoped to help things along was a year ago in Seville (Apachecon), when I also raised some of the general issues (without naming the project, of course) at barcamp. There has been one particular matter of project infrastructure that may have been holding things back. Namely, that the project strongly wanted full two-way mirroring with github, to support an existing workflow. At the time, that existed on an experimental basis for a couple of Apache projects (Trafficserver being one), but wasn't being made widely available "on demand". I should perhaps have tried to kick off discussion on general@ myself, but I feared it would go nowhere, as my understanding of both project and infra issues was insufficient to bat the questions that would follow. As it stands, while Milagro is a great project, I don't feel it really looks like an Apache project. I'd really like to see day-to-day project activity from the team, and insofar as there are issues (such as the above) on the Apache side, perhaps the team can seek to raise them. A reset button? -- Nick Kew
