Glen Gray wrote:
> On 14 Apr 2009, at 15:02, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I understand the desire to want to know the release date, and I
>> totally agree that the predictability of Fedora and co is very nice.
>> Having said that, this is the first time we're doing this (well as a
>> full self contained OS stack rather than an overlay like Moblin 1
>> was) and unfortunately that makes it a bit unpredictable for us;
>> "when it's ready" would be the real right answer. For any release
>> but the first one you can drop features if you're behind on the
>> schedule etc, but for the first time you cannot because you have no
>> fallback functionality yet ;-(
>
> I can completely understand that. And for all RH/Fedora's
> organization and transparency, they always slip a few weeks on each
> release. That's to be expected for any large scale project I guess.
> And to be honest, having release dates that don't slip isn't that
> important to me at the moment. Having a view as to what's supposed to
> happen and where things are going is what's important to me.
> Especially at this early stage.
As a general target, we are working toward a Moblin v2 Netbook release in late
Q2 or early Q3. We've released Alpha2, we're working toward Beta1 now. A
MID-focused release will follow corresponding to the Moorestown platform late
in the year (ideally) or potentially in early 2010. A Menlow-platform-focused
Moblin v2 release has also been discussed but no timeline exists there (read:
don't depend on it yet).
We recognize this isn't the strongest timeframe but we are commited to the
project and you can be confident that it will be something worthy to build on.
>
> Having absolutely no Roadmap or release schedule information
> externally for the "community" (that I can see at least) I think is a
> big mistake. We're not a community at the moment imo. From my
> experience on the list, there's little involvement from outside intel
> other than questions about if something is supported and why
> something doesn't work. In my opinion we won't get to a community
> level until there's transparency and involvement. Hopefully the linux
> foundation change will help with that side of things and if that was
> one of the reasons for making that move then I applaud Intel.
Indeed this was one of our goals. We recognized the conflict between hosting
external contributions and Intel's strict corporate legal guidelines which
often slowed the process of incorporating external contributions. We are eager
to make Moblin a strong community while continuing to push new capabilities
(e.g. boot time).
> We need know what's going on to some extent. I'm not asking for iron
> clad release schedules and don't expect anything like that. But at
> the moment there's just nothing and that makes it very hard to
> justify supporting this project as a road to our future platform. The
> only 2 pieces of information I know about are from press coverage and
> the odd comment in emails answering questions. 1) The moblin2
> platform is aiming at having a 2 second boot time
That would be very cool. We are looking at all possible ways to reduce boot
time. We have not committed to 2sec but we have it as an aggressive target.
> 2) Having a clutter
> based UI by default over the temporary XFCE desktop.
We are emphasizing the use of clutter in lots of areas where it makes sense.
We have pushed clutter backend to Metacity for example for compositing window
manager effects. We continue to look at ways to enhance the desktop experience
with clutter. I can't provide any timeframe for this though as it is still
experimental. (ISVs can choose between GTK, QT, clutter, or a combination of
GTK or QT with clutter effects.)
>
> I don't know how accurate that is and if it's actually official.
We are still in the discovery phase on many of these things. "Official" is
that we are trying to improve both of the above areas. But "official" is not
that we guarantee we will do it or when.
>
> Reading back this is starting to sound like a really negative thread.
> That's not my intention. You guys are doing a great job on moving
> this platform forward with great innovations. I guess I'm just
> frustrated as to knowing where you're going and if I can be involved
> or not.
>
> Kind Regards,
No worries. Constructive criticism is healthy. Thanks for your attention to
the project. Hopefully things will become better as we move forward with the
Linux Foundation and as we get Moblin v2 released.
Bob
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