Looks good to me. Sorry this couldn't work out for the community. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 7:24 AM Marco de Abreu <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid wrote:
> Hello, > > the PR is available at > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/13137. > I'd appreciate a review and merge. > > Best regards, > Marco > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:01 AM Marco de Abreu < > marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > > > Sorry, wrong link. The right link is: > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17216 > > > > -Marco > > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:59 PM Marco de Abreu < > > marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> thanks everybody for taking part in this experiment around Travis CI. > >> Unfortunately, our concerns about the stability of Travis were confirmed > >> and the number of timeouts has increased since we added Python CPU > tests. > >> > >> While the tests are marked as non-blocking, they confuse an increasing > >> number of users and make them concerned that they might have made a > >> breaking change in their contribution. > >> > >> I'm currently in discussion with Apache Infra to improve this situation > >> [1], but as an immediate action to improve the user experience, I would > >> like to propose the reduction of the executed workload on Travis by > rolling > >> back to the previous state which does not run Python CPU tests. There > have > >> been discussions around excluding certain long-running tests, but I'm > >> afraid that assessing the tests and adding proper filtering could take > some > >> time. Instead, I would like to go back to only running compilation > until we > >> found a long-term solution. > >> > >> We have been receiving requests from other contributors who would like > to > >> add more workload to the Travis CI. Thus, I think that we should work > on a > >> long-term solution to resolve these constraints once and for all. > >> > >> Tomorrow, I will review further datapoints, have additional > conversations > >> with Apache Infra and discuss the idea with a few other contributors. If > >> nobody objects, I would then like to create the PR and kindly request a > >> fellow-committer to then merge that configuration change in order to > >> increase the stability of our CI. > >> > >> Thanks for your understanding. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Marco > >> > >> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16884 > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:22 PM Marco de Abreu < > >> marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hey, > >>> > >>> as of https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/12550, Python CPU > >>> tests for Mac have been enabled in Travis. The first passing run is > >>> available at > >>> > https://travis-ci.org/apache/incubator-mxnet/builds/430566392?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification > >>> . > >>> > >>> As stated before, we will keep the status at not-required until we are > >>> sure the system is stable. > >>> > >>> Again, thanks to Kellen for his efforts to get Travis up and running! > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Marco > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 5:09 AM Hagay Lupesko <lupe...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Bravo indeed! > >>>> Awesome work Kellen and Marco! > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 7:56 PM Lin Yuan <apefor...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > Bravo! This is a very important piece in CI. Thanks Kellen and Marco > >>>> to > >>>> > implement it quickly. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > Lin > >>>> > > >>>> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 4:18 PM Marco de Abreu > >>>> > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > Kellen has fixed the one bug in our build system and thus, there > >>>> are no > >>>> > > outstanding tests :) > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Exactly, it will run on branch and PR validation. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > Best regards, > >>>> > > Marco > >>>> > > > >>>> > > sandeep krishnamurthy <sandeep.krishn...@gmail.com> schrieb am > >>>> Di., 18. > >>>> > > Sep. 2018, 19:32: > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > This is awesome. Thanks a lot Kellen and Marco. With this work > >>>> > complete, > >>>> > > we > >>>> > > > will have MXNet Python tests running for Mac on Travis CI, for > PR > >>>> and > >>>> > > > Branch builds? > >>>> > > > Thank you for working on fixing the tests and making it run as > >>>> part of > >>>> > > > Travis CI for Mac platform. Is there any Github issue or Jira > >>>> where we > >>>> > > can > >>>> > > > see disabled / tests that needs to be fixed for Mac? This might > be > >>>> > useful > >>>> > > > if we can call for contributions. > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > Best, > >>>> > > > Sandeep > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:51 AM Marco de Abreu > >>>> > > > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > Hey everyone, > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > we are about to enable Python tests for Mac. The outstanding > >>>> bugs > >>>> > have > >>>> > > > been > >>>> > > > > fixed by Kellen and we're just waiting for the PRs to pass. > >>>> We'll > >>>> > send > >>>> > > a > >>>> > > > > separate email as soon as they are enabled. > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > Additionally, we had a small problem that Travis runs got > >>>> aborted if > >>>> > > > > multiple commits were done in a short timeframe. While this is > >>>> > > acceptable > >>>> > > > > for PRs, this causes our branch jobs to also fail. An examples > >>>> is > >>>> > > > available > >>>> > > > > at [1]. In order to cope with this, I have asked Apache Infra > to > >>>> > > disable > >>>> > > > > cancellation of concurrent jobs. They agreed to this, but > >>>> reminded us > >>>> > > > that > >>>> > > > > they might turn it back on if we consume too many resources. > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > The dashboard to review the Travis resource utilization is > >>>> available > >>>> > at > >>>> > > > > [2]. Just log in as Guest. > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > Best regards, > >>>> > > > > Marco > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > [1]: > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > https://travis-ci.org/apache/incubator-mxnet/builds/430135867?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification > >>>> > > > > [2]: > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > https://demo.kibble.apache.org/dashboard.html?page=ci&source=e0ce4eee89a77ec231eee1fdbbc647cb3de2f6ecfc3cef8d8c11dc2d&interval=hour > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:06 AM kellen sunderland < > >>>> > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > We've got fairly limited ability to change what's reported > by > >>>> > Travis. > >>>> > > > > Most > >>>> > > > > > administration is done by the ASF Infra crew, so it's tough > >>>> for us > >>>> > to > >>>> > > > > > experiment with settings. It'd be great if you could bear > >>>> with us > >>>> > > for > >>>> > > > a > >>>> > > > > > few days. It shouldn't take too long to either (1) get > >>>> > happy-feeling > >>>> > > > > green > >>>> > > > > > checks back, or (2) decide we don't care as much as we > >>>> thought we > >>>> > did > >>>> > > > > about > >>>> > > > > > MacOS support. > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 9:53 PM Aaron Markham < > >>>> > > > aaron.s.mark...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > Is there any way to make it not show a red X failure in > the > >>>> > GitHub > >>>> > > UI > >>>> > > > > > when > >>>> > > > > > > TravisCI fails? I keep going back to check what flakey > test > >>>> > failed > >>>> > > > this > >>>> > > > > > > time and realizing that Jenkins is still running and it > was > >>>> the > >>>> > > "not > >>>> > > > > > > required" Travis fail. The green checkmark makes me happy > >>>> and > >>>> > it's > >>>> > > > > easier > >>>> > > > > > > to keep an eye on what's going on. If Travis times out a > >>>> lot of > >>>> > the > >>>> > > > > time, > >>>> > > > > > > then most of our PRs will look red/bad/sad when they're > not. > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > What about no failure flag set, but add a label that > Travis > >>>> > > > failed.... > >>>> > > > > or > >>>> > > > > > > if we can't control the flag, auto-set labels for each > >>>> Travis and > >>>> > > > > Jenkins > >>>> > > > > > > pass/fail so we still get the benefit of at-a-glance > status > >>>> > checks. > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 6:04 AM Marco de Abreu > >>>> > > > > > > <marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Hello, > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Travis CI has successfully been enabled just now. This > >>>> means > >>>> > you > >>>> > > > will > >>>> > > > > > now > >>>> > > > > > > > see a new status under your PR which is called > >>>> > > > > > > > "continuous-integration/travis-ci/pr". > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > The job only compiles MXNet on Mac and currently does > not > >>>> run > >>>> > > unit > >>>> > > > > > tests > >>>> > > > > > > - > >>>> > > > > > > > we expect the overall execution duration to be around 6 > >>>> minutes > >>>> > > and > >>>> > > > > > thus > >>>> > > > > > > > faster than the full Jenkins pipeline. The status is set > >>>> to > >>>> > "not > >>>> > > > > > > required" > >>>> > > > > > > > which means that it does not block merging if that job > >>>> fails > >>>> > > since > >>>> > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > pipeline is still in beta. But in general, it would be > >>>> good if > >>>> > > > > > committers > >>>> > > > > > > > review the results in case the job shows a failure. Our > >>>> last > >>>> > > known > >>>> > > > > > state > >>>> > > > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > that the pipeline works properly, but we will keep > >>>> everybody up > >>>> > > to > >>>> > > > > date > >>>> > > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > case we get aware of any problems. > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > The next step will be integration of Python CPU unit > >>>> tests. > >>>> > There > >>>> > > > > will > >>>> > > > > > > be a > >>>> > > > > > > > separate email if we got an update on that manner. > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Special thanks to Kellen Sunderland for the contribution > >>>> of > >>>> > this > >>>> > > > > Travis > >>>> > > > > > > CI > >>>> > > > > > > > pipeline. > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > Best regards, > >>>> > > > > > > > Marco > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM Tianqi Chen < > >>>> > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Alrite, then I think it is fine as long as we can kept > >>>> up > >>>> > with > >>>> > > > > build > >>>> > > > > > > > speed > >>>> > > > > > > > > without timeout. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > Tianqi > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:14 AM kellen sunderland < > >>>> > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Travis actually has explicit support for ccache, > it's > >>>> a > >>>> > > > platform > >>>> > > > > > > > feature. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > I've run it and it seems to work quite well. See > for > >>>> > example > >>>> > > > > this > >>>> > > > > > > > build: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > >>>> > https://travis-ci.org/KellenSunderland/incubator-mxnet/builds/424768656 > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 7:10 PM Tianqi Chen < > >>>> > > > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Travis it self is stateless, which means ccache is > >>>> not > >>>> > > likely > >>>> > > > > > going > >>>> > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > work. As far as I understand, if jenkins master is > >>>> in the > >>>> > > > > public > >>>> > > > > > > > > domain, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > you do not need to setup a vpn to the subset of > the > >>>> > master. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > As for versions of MacOS, we are likely going to > be > >>>> fine > >>>> > > with > >>>> > > > > one > >>>> > > > > > > > > > version, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > as usually the problems exhibits on mac are > similar > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Tianqi > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:04 AM kellen sunderland < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > @Tianqi: Yeah there's going to be a lot of > >>>> trade-offs > >>>> > to > >>>> > > > > using > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Travis. I > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > hope we can get it running fast enough with > >>>> ccache that > >>>> > > it > >>>> > > > > > won't > >>>> > > > > > > > > > timeout > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > when running tests, but even that is > >>>> questionable. In > >>>> > my > >>>> > > > > > private > >>>> > > > > > > > > > testing > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > it was running in about 35 minutes and the > global > >>>> > timeout > >>>> > > > for > >>>> > > > > > > > Travis > >>>> > > > > > > > > > jobs > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > is 45 minutes. I'd say let's run it for a few > >>>> builds > >>>> > and > >>>> > > > see > >>>> > > > > > how > >>>> > > > > > > > it > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > goes. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > It won't be enabled in a mode that blocks PRs > any > >>>> time > >>>> > > > soon. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think physical hardware is a great > >>>> solution. > >>>> > We > >>>> > > > > would > >>>> > > > > > > have > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > purchase the hardware, then maintain security > >>>> updates, > >>>> > > > > install > >>>> > > > > > > > > > different > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > versions of XCode / MacOS, setup a vpn to our > >>>> jenkins > >>>> > > > master, > >>>> > > > > > > > etc. I > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > would > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > also worry that if the machine goes down for > >>>> whatever > >>>> > > > reason > >>>> > > > > it > >>>> > > > > > > > would > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > block > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > PRs, and someone would have to be physically > >>>> present to > >>>> > > > turn > >>>> > > > > it > >>>> > > > > > > > back > >>>> > > > > > > > > > on. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Even assuming we set all the hardware up it's > >>>> still not > >>>> > > > > > scalable > >>>> > > > > > > so > >>>> > > > > > > > > > we'd > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > have to over-provision. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm hoping the Travis solution works for the > time > >>>> > being. > >>>> > > If > >>>> > > > > it > >>>> > > > > > > > > doesn't > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > we'll have to take a look at a few other > options, > >>>> but > >>>> > > I've > >>>> > > > > > spent > >>>> > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > > fair > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > amount of time thinking about this and I don't > >>>> think > >>>> > > there > >>>> > > > > are > >>>> > > > > > > any > >>>> > > > > > > > > good > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > options that don't have trade-offs. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > @Lin: Great! Thanks for the offer. There'll be > >>>> a few > >>>> > > > > features > >>>> > > > > > > we > >>>> > > > > > > > > want > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > re-enable once the Job gets hooked up again. > >>>> I'll ping > >>>> > > you > >>>> > > > > > when > >>>> > > > > > > > it's > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > ready > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > and see if there's anything you think would be > >>>> > > interesting > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > help > >>>> > > > > > > > > > with. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > -Kellen > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:58 PM Lin Yuan < > >>>> > > > apefor...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kellen, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to contribute. Please let me know > >>>> if you > >>>> > > > have > >>>> > > > > > any > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > particular > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > work item that I can help. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lin > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tianqi Chen < > >>>> > > > > > > > > tqc...@cs.washington.edu > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it possible for us to get a MacBook and > >>>> hook it > >>>> > to > >>>> > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > current > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Jenkins > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI? Travis OSX usually build from scratch > and > >>>> that > >>>> > > was > >>>> > > > > > pretty > >>>> > > > > > > > > slow > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tianqi > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:49 AM kellen > >>>> sunderland < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great you feel that way Lin, please feel > >>>> free to > >>>> > > > > > contribute > >>>> > > > > > > > if > >>>> > > > > > > > > > you > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > have > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features you'd like tested. We are using > >>>> the > >>>> > > travis > >>>> > > > > > image > >>>> > > > > > > > > > xcode9.4 > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > which > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is based on MacOS 10.13. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:40 PM Lin Yuan < > >>>> > > > > > > apefor...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kellen, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for your and Marco's > effort! I > >>>> > think > >>>> > > > this > >>>> > > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > > very > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > crucial > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > piece to improve MXNet stability. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To add some data points: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Customers using CoreML to MXNet > >>>> converter > >>>> > were > >>>> > > > > > blocked > >>>> > > > > > > > > for a > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > while > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because the converter was broken and no > >>>> unit > >>>> > test > >>>> > > > was > >>>> > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > > place > >>>> > > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > detect > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Developers on Mac cannot verify their > >>>> local > >>>> > > > > commits > >>>> > > > > > > > > because > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > some > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unit > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests on master were broken. This wasted > >>>> much > >>>> > > time > >>>> > > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > > resource > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jenkins > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > server to detect the failure. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Please consider running the CI on Mac > >>>> OS > >>>> > 10.13 > >>>> > > > > since > >>>> > > > > > > > this > >>>> > > > > > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimum > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mac OS version that supports CoreML (to > >>>> support > >>>> > > > > CoreML > >>>> > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > MXNet > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > converter) > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lin > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 3:02 AM kellen > >>>> sunderland > >>>> > < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm bumping this thread as we've > >>>> recently had > >>>> > > our > >>>> > > > > > first > >>>> > > > > > > > > > serious > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > bug > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOS that would have been caught by > >>>> enabling > >>>> > > > > Travis. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to do a little experimental > >>>> work > >>>> > > > together > >>>> > > > > > > with > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Marco > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > with > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goal of enabling a minimal Travis > build > >>>> that > >>>> > > will > >>>> > > > > run > >>>> > > > > > > > > python > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > tests. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've verified that Travis will in fact > >>>> find a > >>>> > > bug > >>>> > > > > > that > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > currently > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exists > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master and has been reproduced by > MacOS > >>>> > > clients. > >>>> > > > > > This > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > indicates > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > me > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adding Travis will add value to our > CI. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My best guess is that it might take us > >>>> some > >>>> > > > > iteration > >>>> > > > > > > > > before > >>>> > > > > > > > > > we > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > find > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scalable way to integrate Travis. > >>>> Given this > >>>> > > > we're > >>>> > > > > > > going > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > enable > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Travis > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in non-blocking mode (i.e. failures > are > >>>> safe > >>>> > to > >>>> > > > > > ignore > >>>> > > > > > > > for > >>>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > time > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being). > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To help mitigate the risk of timeouts, > >>>> and to > >>>> > > > > remove > >>>> > > > > > > > legacy > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > code > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to re-create the travis.yml file from > >>>> > > scratch. I > >>>> > > > > > think > >>>> > > > > > > > > it'll > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > much > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing if we only have working code > >>>> > related > >>>> > > to > >>>> > > > > > > Travis > >>>> > > > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > > > our > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > codebase, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so that contributors won't have to > >>>> experiment > >>>> > > to > >>>> > > > > see > >>>> > > > > > > what > >>>> > > > > > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > > > or > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working. We've got some great, but > >>>> slightly > >>>> > > > > > > out-of-date > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > functionality > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the legacy .travis.yml file. I hope > we > >>>> can > >>>> > > work > >>>> > > > > > > together > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > update > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legacy features, ensure they work with > >>>> the > >>>> > > > current > >>>> > > > > > > folder > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > structure > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also make sure the features run within > >>>> > Travis's > >>>> > > > 45 > >>>> > > > > > > minute > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > global > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > time > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > window. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd also like to set expectations that > >>>> this > >>>> > is > >>>> > > > > > > strictly a > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > volunteer > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effort. I'd welcome help from the > >>>> community > >>>> > > for > >>>> > > > > > > support > >>>> > > > > > > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintenance. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The model downloading caching work > >>>> > particularly > >>>> > > > > > stands > >>>> > > > > > > > out > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > me > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > as > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something I'd like to re-enable again > >>>> as soon > >>>> > > as > >>>> > > > > > > > possible. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Kellen > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:52 AM Marco > de > >>>> > Abreu > >>>> > > < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marco.g.ab...@googlemail.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks good! +1 > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:24 AM, > >>>> kellen > >>>> > > > > sunderland > >>>> > > > > > < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think most were in favour of at > a > >>>> > minimum > >>>> > > > > > > creating > >>>> > > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > clang > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > build > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > created a PR > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/9330/commits/ > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> 84089ea14123ebe4d66cc92e82a2d529cfbd8b19. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My hope is this will catch many of > >>>> the > >>>> > > issues > >>>> > > > > > > > blocking > >>>> > > > > > > > > > OSX > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > builds. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it already caught one issue. If > >>>> you guys > >>>> > > are > >>>> > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > > favour I > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > can > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WIP and ask that it be merged. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:29 PM, > >>>> Chris > >>>> > > > Olivier < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, I have been on vacation. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:10 AM, > >>>> kellen > >>>> > > > > > > sunderland < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope everyone had a good > >>>> break. Just > >>>> > > > > wanted > >>>> > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > check > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > if > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on OSX builds. > Chris, > >>>> did > >>>> > you > >>>> > > > > have > >>>> > > > > > > time > >>>> > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > look > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > virtualizing > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mac OS? Would it make sense > >>>> for us > >>>> > to > >>>> > > > put > >>>> > > > > > > > > something > >>>> > > > > > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > place > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interim e.g. the clang > solution? > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 7:59 > >>>> PM, de > >>>> > > > Abreu, > >>>> > > > > > > Marco > >>>> > > > > > > > < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mab...@amazon.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for looking into > this, > >>>> > Chris! > >>>> > > No > >>>> > > > > > > hurries > >>>> > > > > > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > that > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we’ll > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > look > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into it next stage when we > >>>> add new > >>>> > > > > system- > >>>> > > > > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build-configurations > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CI. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12.12.17, 19:12, "Chris > >>>> > Olivier" < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am on vacation > starting > >>>> > > Thursday. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at > >>>> 9:49 AM > >>>> > > > > kellen > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > sunderland < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, let's do > an > >>>> > > > > investigation > >>>> > > > > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > > see > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > if > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > it's > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > virtualize. Would you > >>>> have > >>>> > > time > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > look > >>>> > > > > > > > > into > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > it > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bit > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further? > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 > at > >>>> 6:47 > >>>> > > PM, > >>>> > > > > > Chris > >>>> > > > > > > > > > Olivier > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don’t get me wrong, > >>>> I’m not > >>>> > > > > saying > >>>> > > > > > > this > >>>> > > > > > > > > Mac > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > OS > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenkins > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doable > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I feel like we > >>>> should > >>>> > > > > > investigate > >>>> > > > > > > > > > because > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payoff > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > large. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 > >>>> at > >>>> > 9:38 > >>>> > > AM > >>>> > > > > > Chris > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Olivier < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple’s Darwin OS > Is > >>>> > > recently > >>>> > > > > > > > > > open-sourced. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/PureDarwin/PureDarwin > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to convert > this > >>>> into > >>>> > a > >>>> > > > > > non-GUI > >>>> > > > > > > > VM I > >>>> > > > > > > > > > am > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > not > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > willing to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bet that people > >>>> have done > >>>> > > it > >>>> > > > > > > already. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, > >>>> 2017 at > >>>> > > 9:16 > >>>> > > > AM > >>>> > > > > > > > kellen > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunderland < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com> > >>>> > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It might be > >>>> technically > >>>> > > > > > possible, > >>>> > > > > > > > but > >>>> > > > > > > > > I > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > think > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > it > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violate > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOS > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> license: > >>>> > > > > > http://store.apple.com/ > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Catalog/US/Images/MacOSX.htm > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "2. Permitted > >>>> License > >>>> > Uses > >>>> > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Restrictions. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> A. This License > >>>> allows > >>>> > you > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > install > >>>> > > > > > > > > > and > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > use > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > copy > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Software on a > >>>> single > >>>> > > > > > Apple-labeled > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > computer > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > at a > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > License > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> not allow the > Apple > >>>> > > Software > >>>> > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > exist > >>>> > > > > > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > more > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at a > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> time,and you may > >>>> not > >>>> > make > >>>> > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > Apple > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Software > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > available > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > network > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> where > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> it could be used > by > >>>> > > multiple > >>>> > > > > > > > computers > >>>> > > > > > > > > > at > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may make > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> copy of the Apple > >>>> > Software > >>>> > > > > > > > (excluding > >>>> > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Boot > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ROM > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code) > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> machine-readable > >>>> form > >>>> > for > >>>> > > > > backup > >>>> > > > > > > > > > purposes > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > only; > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backup > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> copy must include > >>>> all > >>>> > > > > copyright > >>>> > > > > > or > >>>> > > > > > > > > other > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proprietary > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notices > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contained > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> the original. " > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I could be wrong > >>>> though, > >>>> > > > does > >>>> > > > > > > anyone > >>>> > > > > > > > > > know > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > details > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MacOS > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > licensing / > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> virtualization? > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Dec 12, > >>>> 2017 at > >>>> > > 6:10 > >>>> > > > > PM, > >>>> > > > > > > > Chris > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Olivier < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cjolivie...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > googling seems > >>>> to be > >>>> > > full > >>>> > > > of > >>>> > > > > > > > running > >>>> > > > > > > > > > OSX > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > (and > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open-sourced > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> PureDarwin) > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > in VMs. One > could > >>>> > > > > conceivably > >>>> > > > > > > run > >>>> > > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > > VM > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > an > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > EC2 > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instance, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right? > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Tue, Dec 12, > >>>> 2017 > >>>> > at > >>>> > > > 9:01 > >>>> > > > > > AM > >>>> > > > > > > > > kellen > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunderland > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > kellen.sunderl...@gmail.com > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > It would be > >>>> ideal if > >>>> > > we > >>>> > > > > > could > >>>> > > > > > > > > cover > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > OSX > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > in > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenkins, > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> solution > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > that I'm > aware > >>>> of > >>>> > > would > >>>> > > > > > > require > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > physical > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > machines > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > workers. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > would be > weakly > >>>> > > opposed > >>>> > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > having > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > physical > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > servers > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on PRs. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > downsides > that > >>>> I see > >>>> > > in > >>>> > > > > > order > >>>> > > > > > > of > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > importance: > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > - We can't > >>>> > autoscale > >>>> > > > > > physical > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > hardware. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > load > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > too > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > high we have > >>>> to buy > >>>> > > more > >>>> > > > > > > > machines. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > - Security > >>>> would be > >>>> > > > > tricky, > >>>> > > > > > > as > >>>> > > > > > > > > > they'd > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > have > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > internet > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > and then to > our > >>>> > Jekins > >>>> > > > > > master > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > instance. > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connecting > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wired > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> network > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > would > probably > >>>> not > >>>> > be > >>>> > > > > > possible > >>>> > > > > > > > on > >>>> > > > > > > > > > most > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > corporate > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > networks > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as these > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > machines > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > are by > >>>> definition > >>>> > > > running > >>>> > > > > > > > > arbitrary > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > code > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internet. 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