Thanks Matthias for all the work on the website!
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:29:15 +0100, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Manfred, > > thanks for feedback. > > Ok so we will have as far as I see our current website app > and soon simplified web app. > > On subproject I don't want to run mailinglist on CVS > > and so on. Only a special folder in CVS like the > Struts guys do with their subprojects (eg flow) > > @website: I just made some changes. Some other are following. > One topic was Tomcat5.5.x issue. > > I am just uploading it! > > Did I miss something? > > -Matthias > > Manfred Geiler wrote: > > Why *replace* current examples? > > Let's start a new webapp called "simplesamples" or "tutorial" or > > similar. At the time when every single component is part of this new > > webapp we could still remove the old examples or make it deprecated. No > > need to hurry, IMHO. > > > > +1 for simplified version > > -1 for replacing the old examples now > > > > Regarding subproject: > > Before dealing with the question of making a subproject for the > > examples, we should rather think about making the extensions and > > components a subproject, IMHO. > > And if we speak of a subproject, we must also come to a common sense of > > what we mean by that. Does subproject also mean a completely separated > > CVS dir? That would make things unnecessary difficult (build process, > > etc.), I think. Should we have separated mailing-lists? Hmm, even now > > people sometimes have problems to differentiate between our two lists. > > ;-) So, what remains, is the structure of our docs and the homepage. > > Would be enough, IMHO. Clear separation of the kind "Getting started > > with MyFaces Impl" , "Replacing RI", "MyFaces extended standard > > components", "MyFaces custom components" and so on. > > Thoughts? > > > > Manfred > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf schrieb: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I thought about something like a *subproject* for our > >> MyFaces examples sometimes before. > >> > >> We have now lot's of (different) applications that > >> demonstrated the use of MyFaces (and its components) > >> > >> -the *hot* disscussed MyFaces-exmaple > >> -Tiles example > >> -WAP/WML example > >> -the new HelloWorld example > >> > >> that is a lot's of good stuff! > >> > >> So why not creating a subproject for that? > >> MyFaces is toplevel project and there is room > >> for something like that. > >> > >> Struts has a similar facility. On SF they host > >> some *cool* examples or enhancements that are > >> not inside the *core* of Struts. > >> > >> We must not host our examples @sf, but we could > >> start with something like > >> > >> http://myfaces.apache.org/examples > >> > >> so there is also room for some real world > >> examples (using Spring, Hibernate, EJB,...) > >> and also for the simplefied example. > >> > >> What do you think about something like that? > >> > >> -Matthias > >> > >> Sean Schofield wrote: > >> > >>> The vote is only on replacing the myfaces-examples with one that does > >>> not use the menu, verbatim, etc. I agree that a fancy application > >>> that shows off MyFaces is a good idea. > >>> > >>> Right now though, the examples are mostly used to show how each > >>> component works. Its hard to focus on that when you are dealing with > >>> subviews, menus, etc. So again: Can we replace myfaces-examples with > >>> the simplified version? That is the question I am posing. > >>> > >>> As for the RI, those examples are not really relevant. If you want to > >>> know how to use the tree component you will need a simplified example > >>> from MyFaces. > >>> > >>> sean > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:38:53 -0800, Derek Shen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Sorry, not going to vote here. > >>>> > >>>> I think what we need is multiple set of well-organized examples. > >>>> Here're some ideas I can come up with: > >>>> > >>>> 1. simple examples - more like the helloworld and guess number type of > >>>> examples. This set of exmaples are simple and more generic. > >>>> > >>>> 2. MyFaces specific examples - show the power of the new features > >>>> MyFaces provides, e.g. new JSF components, tiles integration and > >>>> portlet integration, etc. > >>>> > >>>> 3. More complex real world examples - like Petstore or duke's > >>>> bookstore application. It not only shows JSF, but also shows the > >>>> integration between JSF, and other frameworks, e.g. Spring, Hibernate, > >>>> JDO, EJB, etc. > >>>> > >>>> If I have to vote, I would vote -1. The examples we have now are > >>>> pretty good. It is always easy to get the simple examples, e.g. from > >>>> Sun JSF RI and migrated it to MyFaces by simply replacing some jars. > >>>> > >>>> Derek > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:49:21 -0500, Sean Schofield > >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> OK I am changing the subject to a simple vote. +1 if you favor > >>>>> *replacing* myfaces-examples with a simplified version that strips > >>>>> away the menu stuff. This is not a decision on how to handle testing. > >>>>> I'd like Matthias to commit what I've sent him for reasons I > >>>>> explained earlier. > >>>>> > >>>>> +1 = yes simplified examples is better > >>>>> -1 = no leave examples the way they are > >>>>> > >>>>> For reference, Matthias posted a WAR he made using the files I sent > >>>>> him. IMO you can easily imagine what this looks like without having > >>>>> to do download it :-) > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.apache.org/~matzew/myfaces-sean.war > >>>>> > >>>>> sean > >>>>> > >>>>> btw I vote +1 > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:06:20 -0500, Sean Schofield > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Martin, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Matthias seemed to interpret your answer as favoring two sets of > >>>>>> examples. One for simple examples and one basically the way it is > >>>>>> now. I had a slightly different take on your answer. I thought you > >>>>>> were agreeing with Sylvain that we should have one set of test > >>>>>> examples and one set of simple examples. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Are we both correct? Did you mean that the current examples would be > >>>>>> the test examples? I don't personally think this is a good idea. > >>>>>> Basically we will just be maintaining a second set of every example. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think the test examples do not have to be inside the menu, etc. > >>>>>> Obviously you want a *single* test example (and simple example) that > >>>>>> uses the menu. But keeping every example inside the menu > >>>>>> framework is > >>>>>> what I object to. Its harder to understand and maintain. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have a few more simple examples to contribute but I am waiting for > >>>>>> this to be resolved. Also I noticed Sylvain just updated his > >>>>>> HtmlEditor example. Since I've already done all the work to simplify > >>>>>> the examples we should decide if we are going to use them before more > >>>>>> changes are made. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> sean > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > > > > -- > Matthias We�endorf > Aechterhoek 18 > DE-48282 Emsdetten > Germany > phone: +49-2572-9170275 > cell phone: +49-179-1118979 > email: matzew AT apache DOT org > url: http://www.wessendorf.net > callto://mwessendorf (Skype) > icq: 47016183 >
