+1 switch from CVS to Subversion
On 4/15/05, Bill Dudney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 on the switch > > -bd- > > On Friday, April 15, 2005, at 07:18AM, Manfred Geiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > ><<Original Attached>> > > > For all WIndows users: TortoiseSVN is a good choice. Give it a try. > IntelliJ users: I'm currently evaluating build #3281 with integrated SVN > support. No problem so far. > > Oliver, yes, tool support is better (manifold) for CVS. Not really > astonishing keeping the age of CVS in mind. > Anyway, the ASF has decided to switch from CVS to SVN and we should not be > the blocker, IMHO. > Is there a certain tool you have in mind, that has bad or no SVN support by > now? > > -Manfred > > > On 4/15/05, Oliver Rossmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While subversion has it's merits > > > > -1 from me to switch to subversion at this point in time. > > > > We had this discussion a few times in the past and IMHO the most > > important argument against svn has not changed until today: tool support > > for subversion is far from what's available for CVS so this switch would > > be a step back in developer productivity from my POV. And I hate these > > stuipid long revision ids subversion uses as I'm not able to memorize > > them for more than a minute's time ;-) > > > > As for source history: as far as I followed the discussions there will > > be some moving/renaming of top-level directories in the myfaces module > > so this can be done on filesystem level in the repository without > > loosing history (same way as we did when migrating the sources from > > sourceforge to ASF). This might be not that comfortable as it would be > > using svn, but it can be done. > > > > Oliver > > > > Manfred Geiler wrote: > > > > >Final release 1.0.9beta is only a question of hours now. After > > >publication will be the best time to finally move our repository out > > >of the incubator. > > >We have already discussed and voted about the SVN issue, but there are > > >some new and changed circumstances and I would like to find out if > > >there are still committers who have serious objection against SVN. > > >Cons: > > >- IntelliJ users still do not have integrated SVN support. > > >Pros: > > >- SVN is the new repository technology for ASF. At the long term all > > >Apache projects should have moved to SVN. So it's unwritten common > > >sense that new top level projects should start with SVN from the > > >beginning. > > >- As you know, SVN is able to keep history for renamed and moved files > > >and dirs. Just now we are discussing some serious structural changes > > >(subprojects, sandbox, etc.) If we do that now in CVS we would loose > > >valuable history for many files. > > >- TortoiseSVN is a powerful alternative for all IntelliJ users in the > > >meantime. > > > > > >So here is my definite > > >+1 for switching from CVS to Subversion > > > > > >-Manfred > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Oliver Rossmueller > > Software Engineer and IT-Consultant > > Hamburg, Germany > > http://www.rossmueller.com > > > > > > >
