Oliver, If I sound irritated, I am. I don't really feel like being lectured by you about how to be a team player and how the ASF works. If you had something more to say, then just say it. There's no need to attack me for wanting to bring the matter to conclusion when we have 99% consensus.
For once I agree with you .. further discussion of this topic is pointless. sean On 6/29/05, Oliver Rossmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sean Schofield wrote: > > >Oliver, > > > >Everyone seemed to agree this was a good idea except for you. For the > >record I simply stated that "I think we should consider the matter > >closed." I did not say "The matter is closed." So that was an > >opinion/suggestion, not an ultimatum. > > > >We could take a vote if you insist. In the past, we have tried to > >avoid voting unless it was for a release issue or something major. > > > >Suggestion: Instead of complaining to me about wanting to reach a > >conclusion, perhaps you could respond intelligently to the reasoning > >cited by people in this thread. > > > > > All right, so it gets personal again :-( I don't agree and therefore my > reasoning is not intelligent. Ok, I take note of that and am very very > sorry for being such a stupid. > > I still do not agree but also have no interest in this discussion > anymore as it will lead to nothing. So I started a vote thread on the > topic, you have my vote there, so go for it. I promise I will not bother > you with my stupid opinions and unintelligent reasoning anymore. > > Live long and prosper, > Oliver > > >sean > > > >On 6/29/05, Oliver Rossmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>Sean, > >> > >>just a formal question: by which way did you get the power to end this > >>discussion and to decide what has to happen? And in case there are > >>divergent opinions on any topic in the future will it always be you who > >>has the power to decide? > >> > >>You propose to follow the "formal and informal practices of the other > >>projects" so please take yourself literally and do it the ASF way: start > >>a formal vote on the topic. > >> > >>Oliver > >> > >>Sean Schofield wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>As for removing the jars from SVN, I think we should consider this > >>>matter closed. Its a good idea for several reasons which Craig, > >>>Martin and others have articulated quite clearly. Not only will this > >>>save bandwith (and therefore money) for the ASF, but it brings us into > >>>compliance with the standard by which other ASF projects do things. > >>> > >>>When possible, the various ASF projects should try to do things in a > >>>similar fashion. Regardless of how one might decide to do things in > >>>their corporate environment, ASF has its own way of doing things. > >>>MyFaces should comply with the formal and informal practices of the > >>>other projects whenever there is not a compelling reason to deviate > >>> > >>> > >>>from those norms. > >> > >> > >>>There is still the matter of including jars in the binary distro, etc. > >>>where I can see advantages and disadvantages to the two approaches. > >>>But as far as jars in SVN are concerned, it seems quite clear that > >>>this practice should end. > >>> > >>>sean > >>> > >>>On 6/27/05, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>And we're working on just such a list of the dependencies. That is > >>>>one benefit of moving the jars out of SVN. I took the approach that > >>>>the Struts build uses. The build script clearly lists the depencies > >>>>and the version numbers required. > >>>> > >>>>Of course we could have that without removing the jars from SVN too. > >>>>But its 100% essential if we don't supply the jars and so now we have > >>>>it. Both sides should be happy on this point :-) > >>>> > >>>>sean > >>>> > >>>>On 6/27/05, ir. ing. Jan Dockx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>On 25 Jun 2005, at 20:43, Craig McClanahan wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>For the record, I am absolutely and totally -1 on including JAR files > >>>>>>in the source code repository of any Apache project that I work on. > >>>>>>Including them in a binary distribution, of course, is a totally > >>>>>>different animal. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Craig > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Even then. (see previous post). In my opinion (for as much as that of a > >>>>>user counts), only end-user products should contain all dependencies. > >>>>>Libraries should never, but instead list the dependencies with all > >>>>>needed information, including what each dependency is needed for. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Met vriendelijke groeten, > >>>>> > >>>>>Jan Dockx > >>>>> > >>>>>PeopleWare NV - Head Office > >>>>>Cdt.Weynsstraat 85 > >>>>>B-2660 Hoboken > >>>>>Tel: +32 3 448.33.38 > >>>>>Fax: +32 3 448.32.66 > >>>>> > >>>>>PeopleWare NV - Branch Office Geel > >>>>>Kleinhoefstraat 5 > >>>>>B-2440 Geel > >>>>>Tel: +32 14 57.00.90 > >>>>>Fax: +32 14 58.13.25 > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.peopleware.be/ > >>>>>http://www.mobileware.be/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>-- > >>Oliver Rossmueller > >>Software Engineer and IT-Consultant > >>Hamburg, Germany > >>http://www.rossmueller.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > Oliver Rossmueller > Software Engineer and IT-Consultant > Hamburg, Germany > http://www.rossmueller.com > >
