On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Gerhard Petracek <[email protected]> wrote: > hi mark, > nobody said that it would harm (at least i'm not aware of technical issues). > (maybe some people would use it even though they shouldn't - e.g. because > they have an alternative which should be used in their application/s.) > furthermore, i agree with martin - most projects are using (or will use) one > of the mentioned frameworks.
a lot != most :) > the questions are: > who would use this feature? > - new projects? i don't think so. possible.. > - existing projects? yes, why not? > would they upgrade to a new version of trinidad just for using this feature? pretty soon, I hope end of July, there will be a new release (2.0.0-beta), since the JSF2 and also its (jsf2) ajax bridge is kinda stable, now > maybe it's the right time to discuss our plans for the future of trinidad. I know that - at least my goal - is finishing on the JSF 2.0 uptake. not sure if I am too thrilled about forcing hard dependencies to CDI/Spring but I said before, that we could layout an *independent* API for something like window/event systems and let submodules implement with APIs they want, e.g. CDI or more heavy-weight: Spring > (at least if we should use the maven shade plugin for modularizing trinidad. > in such a case we could also provide an all-in-one package via special > modules. so users won't see any difference, if they prefer the existing > monolithic package.) for runtime dependency its is trinidad-api and trinidad-impl; wanna pack that into one jar? > regards, > gerhard > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > 2010/7/21 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> >> >> Hmm difficult topic. >> >> Please allow me a few questions: >> >> a.) Trinidad components would still work with using either Orchestra >> conversations or CODI? >> b) You are not relying on other components or the users using your >> conversation >> stuff if they don't like? >> c) if the user doesn't make use of this feature, it will not pollute the >> viewRoot or cause heavy performance hits? >> >> If all this is ok, then there is imo no argument against adding it to >> Trinidad. >> This doesn't mean I like it either, but it doesn't hurt at least ;) >> >> LieGrue, >> strub >> >> >> > >> >From: Gerhard Petracek <[email protected]> >> >To: MyFaces Development <[email protected]> >> >Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 10:16:23 AM >> >Subject: Re: [Trinidad][api]TRINIDAD-1857 Add a Map associated with each >> > window >> > >> >or tab that the user is interacting with >> > >> >i agree with martin. >> > >> > >> >regards, >> >gerhard >> > >> >http://www.irian.at >> > >> >Your JSF powerhouse - >> >JSF Consulting, Development and >> >Courses in English and German >> > >> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >2010/7/21 Martin Marinschek <[email protected]> >> > >> >Hi Matthias, >> >> >> >> >> >>> Not everybody is using CDI and/or Spring. >> >> >> >>well, in the real world and a little while in the future, there is not >> >>many people who will not have one of these frameworks in their >> >>applications. >> >> >> >> >> >>> I think, on long term we may want one clean and independent API, where >> >>> all these projects offer an implementation for a window/event system: >> >>> -CODI >> >>> -Orchestra >> >>> -Trinidad >> >>> -etc >> >>> >> >>> However, right now, Trinidad has the base already and adding a new >> >>> toolset to the belt feels kinda wrong. >> >>> Again +1 on this to be inside of Trinidad. >> >>> >> >>> This does not mean that we could work on a better future version of a >> >>> more unified API, for this. Right? >> >> >> >>yes, this is what we could and what we should. Why not take this >> >>addition as a reason to do this right now? If we don´t take such >> >>additions as a reason to do this, what else will be our reason? >> >> >> >>best regards, >> >> >> >>Martin >> >> >> >>-- >> >> >> >> >> >>http://www.irian.at >> >> >> >>Your JSF powerhouse - >> >>JSF Consulting, Development and >> >>Courses in English and German >> >> >> >>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
