On 21 October 2015 at 10:36, Justin Mclean <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Moving to dev list.
>
> > just had a second look at the homepage, it would be nice (and I think
> correct) to add ppmc, so that the table shows
> > mentors
> > ppmc
> > committers
>
>  I was holding off until we had all of the Apache ids but I'll go ahead
> and add the names. The Apache ids can be added later.
>
> > remark ppmc != committers. I don’t think we have discussed who is ppmc
> (sorry if I missed a discussion).
>
> Usually in incubation from my (limited) experience the initial committer
> list == initial ppmc list. But we can leave it up to each individual.
>
> The responsibilities are spelt out here:
> Guide for new committers [1]
> Guide for (P)PMC members [2]
>
> Does anyone not want to be on the PPMC and just a committer?
>
Given my history with incubator, I believe it is better for the project if
I remain an ordinary committer at least for now. I do not want to take part
in potential discussions about voting etc.


> The main practical difference is access to the private mailing list (which
> should have only a small amount of traffic) and votes being binding on
> incubator releases. We need a minimum of 3 PPMC members to be a viable
> project.
>
> We can of course vote any committer who make contributions into the PMC at
> a later date (assuming they accept). A few projects have no difference
> between committers and PMC members. On one project I asked to be on the
> initial committer list, was declined (as there were too many on the list
> already), but my contributions quickly made me a committer and a PPMC
> member.
>
> I learned a hard lesson, that having PPMC == Committers can break a
community if not being careful (which we weren´t). Some people do a
wonderful job as committers, but act quite differently when they become
PPMC.

If the project prefers to have PPMC == Committers then I will not try to
hinder it.

rgds
jan i.


> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html
> 2. http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html

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