Sure. I'll work on creating the podling report and submitting it. On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 6:05 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote:
> Ok. I'm willing to wait. However, you'll need to follow up quickly. > I'll also point out that the podling report is due, none submitted. > Hopefully one can be provided soon. > > John > > On 2017-11-07 12:57, mohit soni <mohitsoni1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think we should be able to address the concerns around PR reviews and > > releases while still being a part of the Incubator. > > > > Also, I am fine with driving future features with help of Darin and > others > > in the community. > > > > Honestly, I would prefer to keep the project in the Incubator for all the > > benefits it provides. At the very least, we can give it another shot. > > > > If we are all fine with keeping the project alive in the Incubator, we > can > > then move on to discuss future features and releases. > > > > Best > > Mohit > > > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:04 AM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > Just so you are aware, it is completely feasible to fork the project to > > > continue work on it outside of Apache, if you decide on retirement. We > > > generally don't even pursue naming issues for former podlings, since we > > > would have not done anything to claim the TM. > > > > > > Maybe it is possible to build up the project outside of apache with > just a > > > couple of committers and roll your own releases. Build up a strong > enough > > > community and come back (if it makes sense). > > > > > > John > > > > > > On 2017-11-06 14:56, Santosh Marella <mare...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Agree with Darin and Mohit. I think the project is still very > relevant, > > > but > > > > there is no one actively working on it - I myself couldn't put time > on it > > > > as the problem space my employer operates in is very different from > > > > Myriad's. If Mohit is willing to drive the future features and Darin > is > > > > ready to back him up, I honestly think this deserves another shot. We > > > have > > > > already seen other folks expressing interest to offer support (in > terms > > > of > > > > code reviews, vetting releases etc). > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Santosh. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Darin Johnson < > dbjohnson1...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I certainly think the project is relevant but I'm concerned if it > > > belongs > > > > > in Apache. When I was active it was difficult to get people to > review > > > pull > > > > > requests and when releasing v0.2.0 it was hard to even get people > to > > > vote > > > > > for a release. If only a few people are going to work on it, maybe > > > it's > > > > > easier to develop outside the incubator until there's something > stable? > > > > > > > > > > I'd be interested in potentially working on it again provided > there's > > > at > > > > > least two other people actively working on it. > > > > > > > > > > Darin > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 1:13 PM, mohit soni < > mohitsoni1...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The project's core idea of dynamic creation and management of > YARN > > > > > clusters > > > > > > without creating static partitions is still relevant. This > project > > > and > > > > > it's > > > > > > community were one of the first movers in the still developing > space > > > of > > > > > > stateful containerized distributed systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the project is currently lagging behind the fast paced > > > > > > development of Apache Mesos ecosystem project and is currently > not > > > > > designed > > > > > > to take advantage of the fast growing Kubernetes (Apache License > 2.0) > > > > > > ecosystem. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also believe the project is not just about the code which gets > old > > > once > > > > > > it's written, unless tendered and cared for regularly, it's also > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > community, and the mindshare. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the things that we can do to bring life to the project > > > again: > > > > > > 1. Refactor the project codebase to take advantage of the > advances > > > in the > > > > > > Apache Mesos Ecosystem, which from my direct experience, will > > > simplify > > > > > the > > > > > > project codebase a lot, making it easier once again to maintain > it, > > > while > > > > > > making it more relevant to the Apache Mesos community again. > > > > > > 2. Extend the project to take advantage of Kubernetes project's > and > > > > > enable > > > > > > dynamic creation and management of YARN clusters on Kubernetes. > > > > > Kubernetes > > > > > > project now has great support for building stateful containerized > > > > > > applications. Refactoring work in Step #1 will lay the groundwork > > > that > > > > > will > > > > > > make it easier to extend the project for the Kubernetes > ecosystem. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm happy to take a lead to drive both above initiatives, and can > > > post a > > > > > > detailed plan and design for accomplishing above in coming > months. I > > > am > > > > > > also happy to take a lead on submitting monthly incubator > reports. > > > > > > > > > > > > I truly believe that we should give the project one more chance > to > > > > > > recuperate and thrive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Mohit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:06 AM, John D. Ament < > johndam...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just to be clear, this is a discussion thread. Not a vote > thread. > > > > > While > > > > > > > I believe many people vote +1 because they feel its clear why, > > > when you > > > > > > > vote against the idea you should explain why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So please, treat this more like a discussion rather than a > vote and > > > > > > > explain why. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2017-11-05 13:50, mohit soni <mohitsoni1...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > -1 vote to not retire the project (committer, PMC) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the project is still relevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Niels Basjes < > ni...@basjes.nl> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 vote to retire (non-committer) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Brandon Gulla < > > > > > > gulla.bran...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 vote to retire (non-committer) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:03 AM, John D. Ament < > > > > > > johndam...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on the current state of Myriad and prior > discussions > > > I'd > > > > > > > like to > > > > > > > > > > > start the discussions around retiring the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Brandon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Niels Basjes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
