> No. It's the other way around -- if the NetBeans community were to not > defer to Apache (and why wouldn't they), that's when there should be a FAQ.
I can work with this. But note that this was not the conclusion of any previous talk. > You'd simply be bundling it with a JDK and not modifying NetBeans and > therefore > you'd be entitled tio call it NetBeans. Can I still call it NetBeans if I also bundle some plugins (nbjavac, oraclejsparser, nbnotify, C/C++ support, wildfly, maven.search and JavaFX)? Because I've just described CoolBeans. The Payara folks had a NetBeans + some of their plugins bundle. Where they actually OK from a trademark perspective too? > Sure, let's do it. You can provide a PR in the website or wherever you > think would be best or tell me where it would be best. Don't shoot the messenger. This sounds like some sort of project trademark policy that should be voted on, linked from https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBeans+Policies and created a subpage explaining the conclusion. > You've already seen the mail that I sent to Debian. > If you find other examples, just say so and we'll contact them too. I think Debian was a known example while we discussed this (publicly and/or on private@). Note I don't have anything against Debian, I'm just aiming for some clarity and consistency. You could even make Debian a special case (assuming Apache allows it, etc) but people should know it's a special case. --emi On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 1:53 PM Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:44 PM Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What I'm looking for is: > > > > * transparency: the project having some guidelines about this. A > > simple page where you link to > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#Name-changes is fine > > by me, but you can't expect some sort of conclusion to be deduced from > > mail archives. > > > > > Sure, let's do it. You can provide a PR in the website or wherever you > think would be best or tell me where it would be best. > > > > > > > * enforcement: the PMC showing it takes some proactive steps defending > > the brand / trademark. If name changes are mandatory, start enforcing > > this rule with obvious trademark infringements, such as Debian. > > > > > You've already seen the mail that I sent to Debian. > > If you find other examples, just say so and we'll contact them too. > > Gj > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 1:10 PM Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Yup, that would be cool. > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:09 PM Neil C Smith <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, 10:56 Geertjan Wielenga, <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Seems to be Markus Koschany, I'll contact him. If the distro is > > really > > > > > different in a significant way, they could call it DebianBeans, > > maybe. > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would life be if you couldn't rely on Debian to screw up a Java > > > > package?! ;-) > > > > > > > > Not sure if they intend to keep packaging - it's still 10? But this > > feels > > > > borderline. Modifications to externalize dependencies or control what > > > > files/modules are included might be something to allow? OTOH, if that > > leads > > > > to linking to different versions of dependencies that might not? At > > what > > > > point does a build turn into a derivative? > > > > > > > > It would be good to make more of this configurable in our build scripts > > > > anyway. Would really like it to be easy for a downstream build to > > > > pre-include nb-javac and JavaFX if they want to for example. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
