I think many have mentioned some of the other online IDEs (search for best online ides for more) so will limit input in that...
I recall at Code One this year one of the sessions I believe by the gluon folks talked about a way of porting existing (I believe jfx based) applications using some framework (maybe some phone gap offshoot) which allowed the same application to be hosted as a desktop app, mobile app, and web based app with limited changes. There is the JavaFX WebView as well which may be worth wild. But much of this may also raise the thought of JavaFX based Netbeans but that’s a separate discussion. Eric On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:17 AM Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote: > Tim, have you seen a Jupyter Notebook? That thing is awesome for > exploratory Machine Learning or just plain coding. It's basically > literate programming. You sprinkle some notes, some code, run the code > in-place in the browser and even see charts / pictures / data. > > Of course, it doesn't help you with debugging or refactoring or > anything like that but for smaller projects, it's quite great. The > REPL of these ages I guess. > > --emi > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3:57 AM Tim Boudreau <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I suspect for that to ever have legs, it would require the redefinition > of > > what programming *is* to be amenable to one-finger, drag-and-drop > > operations on a tablet. And, well, people have been trying to do that > > since there have been programming languages. The complexity you need to > > express to do anything real just isn't expressible that way - same as UML > > becomes useless as soon as you touch anything non-trivial, or worse, > > concurrency. I don't see that changing any time soon. > > > > Every big company that does languages / tooling, at some point, has > > executives who aren't programmers, and think "Hey, programming should be > > done the new cool way on phones and tablets - and then we could hold > > people's software for ransom, make them dependent on our tooling and have > > to deploy on our cloud! Think of the $$!" And they throw a bunch of > money > > at it and build something that sort of works and nobody wants or likes. > > Rinse and repeat. > > > > The big problem goes back to IBM's 1990s attempts with Visual Age, where > > your code isn't files on disk, it's in this magical database. That > sounds > > great until the first time you want to use an external tool against it, > > only it's all kept in a locked vault by your IDE. > > > > Maybe it will work someday, but not with any of the current programming > > languages - it would need something designed from scratch for that > > purpose. And good luck making that not a tinker-toy. > > > > -Tim > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:32 PM Kenneth Fogel < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > When I attended Microsoft Ignite, I was a guest of Microsoft, we were > told > > > of a new version of Visual Studio that will be hosted in the cloud. > You can > > > see it at https://online.visualstudio.com > > > <https://online.visualstudio.com/login>. You need a Microsoft account > and > > > a free Azure account. You can see the details for yourself and the > purpose > > > of this email is not to promote this offering. > > > > > > > > > > > > What this email is about is to discuss whether or not a cloud based > > > NetBeans is possible. With more and more users, therefore potential new > > > developers, using tablets and Chromebooks, less and less people will > have > > > traditional PCs. Other languages such as Python have browser based > IDEs. > > > Should we be investigating this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [image: cid:[email protected]] > > > > > > *Ken Fogel* > > > Faculty / Java Champion > > > > > > email: [email protected] > > > phone: (514) 931-8731 local 4799 > > > > > > Dawson College, 3040 Sherbrooke St. W Westmount, Quebec, H3Z 1A4, > Canada > > > > > > [image: facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/ken.fogel> [image: > > > twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/omniprof> [image: youtube icon] > > > <https://www.youtube.com/kenfogel> [image: linkedin icon] > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenfogel/> [image: instagram icon] > > > <https://www.instagram.com/omniprof/> > > > > > > [image: cid:16cd4bdce7eaf8d708] <https://www.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://timboudreau.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > -- Eric Bresie [email protected]
