> That said, I don't think that an IDE is a good application for web browsers. > Too much interactions, too much parallel/background stuff that has to be > done, the web UI is too limited etc. My personal opinion is that I rather > would like to see all developers effort is put into making the already great > Netbeans IDE even better, and concentrate on that.
Strong agree. An IDE is exactly the kind of application where the desktop model really shines. That is not to say you can't incorporate collaborative features in a desktop application. We already have great git support, and it would be perfectly possible, for instance, to implement collaborative editing (a la Google Docs or some of the latest Microsoft Visual Studio demos) from within the NetBeans IDE. -- Eirik -----Original Message----- From: Jens Zurawski <j...@diegurus.de> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:18 PM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: Re: Cloud Based NetBeans I don't want to start a flame war on this, but web applications do have advantages... given they are designed and implemented well and used in areas, where this kind of application makes sense and where the application is able to show off its advantages. Of course they also have disadvantages. It's as with nearly everything: Just take the right tool which fits best to the work that has to be done. To nail something better use a hammer than a wrench, albeit it would be possible to get the nail in with the wrench, too ;-) That said, I don't think that an IDE is a good application for web browsers. Too much interactions, too much parallel/background stuff that has to be done, the web UI is too limited etc. My personal opinion is that I rather would like to see all developers effort is put into making the already great Netbeans IDE even better, and concentrate on that. E.g. not getting distracted by big refactorings and additional abstractions which makes it harder to deliver a stable and fast tool in the end. Just my 2 cents, as I'm not yet an active contributor for the project, but a happy long year user of Netbeans (since 6.x). I'm hoping to be able to spend some time in the future and will be able to give something back to Netbeans and contribute some little stuff. cu Jens Am 24.11.2019 um 21:41 schrieb Chuck Davis: > Well put, Scott. > > I have used quite a few web applications. They all suck. Either a browser > cannot provide a decent interface for applications or nobody has yet > figured out how to do it. Browsers are great for displaying information > and downloading files but they are a reprehensible invention for > applications. When Berners-Lee gets through reinventing the internet > (which I've read he is working on) we can only hope he comes up with > something better than the current generation of browser interfaces. > > We have two hospitals in town. One just installed the same software the > other one was using. I have talked to doctors from both and they all hate > it. All the nurses at the new hospital (the one I know most about) hate > it. The business office hates it. The only people who like it are the > technologically ignorant administration (who, of course, don't use it for > anything except displaying information and downloading files) -- it's > cheaper -- and the IT department......go figure. Doctors are very > frustrated -- they used to have an information system that worked -- now > they have a web application and it is universally disliked by people who > have to use it. This is just the most current example in my little > universe. There are plenty of others in the recent past. > > Web applications are for lazy and clueless IT departments who have total > disregard for the user experience, know nothing about designing a front end > to an application, have no clue how to conserve application real estate and > don't know the meaning of efficiency. > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:10 PM Scott Palmer <swpal...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Why anyone would want to downgrade to a web app experience is beyond me. >> (That goes for everything, not just an IDE.) >> >> Scott >> >> >> -- jens zurawski diegurus - zurawski zurawski poppl rohland GbR juister straße 3 65199 wiesbaden kaspersweg 7b 26131 oldenburg internet http://www.diegurus.de tel +49(0)611 72437966 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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