Here’s a little piece of relevant Sun history you may not know: when I was 
trying to get Sun to buy NetBeans, the
powers-that-be didn’t like it because it wasn’t a “big play”.  They wanted to 
buy a big tool company for a lot
of money.  They settled on Forté software, which was completely idiotic (they 
did developer tools for IBM
mainframes), but they were expensive (>1$B).  I wouldn’t shut up about how 
idiotic this was, especially
given that NetBeans was a much better company with a much better product.  I 
was effectively asked
“If we buy both, will you shut up?”.  I said OK, Forté crashed and burned, 
NetBeans sailed on.

You should have charged Sun more.  :-)

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> We’re implicitly keeping the Sun flag flying. :-)
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 22:27, James Gosling <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> That was a really nice talk!  Thanks for doing it!
>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
>>>>> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
>>>> pretty
>>>>> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can
>> get
>>>>> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and direction
>> of
>>>>> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gj
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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