Wow.I totally forgot that I had told that story.

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Here's the awesome YouTube version of that textual explication:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5Q39MuTvk
> 
> :-)
> 
> Gj
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:58 PM James Gosling <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Here’s a little piece of relevant Sun history you may not know: when I was
>> trying to get Sun to buy NetBeans, the
>> powers-that-be didn’t like it because it wasn’t a “big play”.  They wanted
>> to buy a big tool company for a lot
>> of money.  They settled on Forté software, which was completely idiotic
>> (they did developer tools for IBM
>> mainframes), but they were expensive (>1$B).  I wouldn’t shut up about how
>> idiotic this was, especially
>> given that NetBeans was a much better company with a much better product.
>> I was effectively asked
>> “If we buy both, will you shut up?”.  I said OK, Forté crashed and burned,
>> NetBeans sailed on.
>> 
>> You should have charged Sun more.  :-)
>> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We’re implicitly keeping the Sun flag flying. :-)
>>> 
>>> Gj
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 22:27, James Gosling <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That was a really nice talk!  Thanks for doing it!
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:54 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
>> [email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Several of us on the mailing list were at FOSDEM in Brussel yesterday
>>>>>>> (Neil, Jan Lahoda, Martin Entlicher, Patrik Karlstrom) and it was a
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> good event -- I think we should treat FOSDEM as a place where we can
>>>> get
>>>>>>> together every year and share new insights etc around NetBeans.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One of the talks was by me, specifically about the state and
>> direction
>>>> of
>>>>>>> NetBeans, it takes about 20 minutes, take a look here:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> https://mirror.cyberbits.eu/fosdem/2020/UD2.119/fromoracleapache.webm
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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