Hi,
Yep, in order to get things compiling I uploaded the old NetBeans 8.2
binary of the non-donated parser to OSOUL [1] a while back. I thought we
could use that binary temporarily to speed up things (it's CDDL'd after
all).
But as Laszlo says it would be good to understand what the module does
and build a parser from scratch. Note that C++ has evolved a lot since
8.2 days, so I assume we'll have to update the parser with latest C++
features.
I think it's ok to look at the old repository to know _what_ the module
does, but of course we can't just copy the sources of non-donated
modules (GPL+CPE/CDDL) and just paste them in an Apache Licensed
project. This is strictly forbidden. I'd go with a clean-room
implementation as Laszlo suggests.
A while back I opened this issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-4619
to track the problems I was finding with the CND donation. When
something was missing or not implemented I simply added some source that
throws an Exception, added a subtask to NETBEANS-4619 to track what the
problem was and kept-on trying to compile the cnd cluster.
Also there's a branch in my repo you may want to take a look at:
https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/tree/issues/NETBEANS-4619
This does compile several modules in the cnd cluster. You can try to
clone that branch and run "ant -Dcluster.config=cnd" to see how far I
got there.
I may be able to upload some more commits to that branch with a
compilable version of "cnd.modelimpl". I'm currently stuck in finding
the license info for the "open-fortran-parser-0.7.1.2.zip" file. Next
module in the dependency tree seems to be the "cnd.remote" which seems
to need a "cnd-rfs-1.0-zip" file (no idea what this does, though).
So, to summarize:
- We can get going with the 8.2 parser binary for compilation. Even for
release. It would be nice to have a new parser implementation.
- There's a lot of research to be done finding third-party licenses,
seeing if they're compatible, uploading them to OSOUL and adding the
proper entries in external/binaries-list, with a companion txt file that
explains the license of the dependency (see [1] for an example).
- Once the "cnd" cluster compiles we should go take a look at
NETBEANS-4619 to find-out what needs a new implementation.
I hope this clarifies, let me know any questions you may have.
Kind regards,
Antonio
[1]
The missing parser module is
"org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt".
In my NETBEANS-4619 branch I added the binary to OSOUL and to the
"binaries-list" file here:
https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/binaries-list
https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt
El 16/3/21 a las 23:37, Laszlo Kishalmi escribió:
Well, as far as I checked the non donated parser was a mostly generated,
then customized code. I can understand why the license was not clear.
The best thing would be if we can re-implement that module, by
generating a parser from the source and implementing the required glue
around that. Though it requires deep knowledge and time...
On 3/16/21 3:14 PM, Tristan Lewis wrote:
With the non-donated parts, should we try to ascertain the state of
their licenses? It seems we can access the original files - either
through the old repository or via java de-compiling.
I think getting it to compile without requiring modification should be
the first goal. I would think that reviewing changes from where the
branch is currently towards getting it compiling is worthwhile to
ensure we are tracking any work that we are necessitating by having
functions that need to be implemented etc.
Having a pull request to look at might be a good way to get the ball
rolling.
Tristan
________________________________
From: antonio <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2021 03:31
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: CND integration status
Hi all,
I did a first contact with CND a while back and I'm afraid we'll have to
do some extra effort here. Some findings:
1.- There's a parser module that was not donated. Simplest thing to do
is to use the original one released under the GPL/CDDL license. This is
already in the "/binaries" OSUOSL.
2.- Some other parts were not donated either. Simplest thing to do is to
implement APIs with some sensible defaults in order to compile things,
then implement them once things build.
3.- This is a big cluster and I'm not sure how to review everything.
Maybe the idea is to have the cluster compiling, do a review of all
stuff, and then proceed with fine-tuning. Thoughts?
I think I have a branch in a laptop somewhere, maybe I can update it and
do a preliminar PR for review.
Kind regards,
Antonio
P.S.: I think these missing parts were not donated because of licensing
issues, probably because evaluating third-party licenses was too
complicated/impossible during the donation.
On 15/03/2021 17:58, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
Recently discussed here:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
Gj
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik
<[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello all...
After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i
(and
may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
Thanks...
--
Best regards,
Anton V. Kirilchik
E-mail: [email protected]
Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
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