> I’m on windows. Did you see the latest Windows LAF updates? They tidy up a lot of the remaining cruft that made the Windows LAF look dated--borders, toolbar draggers, window system tabs, default font etc.
> I liked the UI (not the UX) from IntelliJ from the very first time. Other things aside, I think FlatLAFs resemblence to IntelliJ is a branding problem for NetBeans. If FlatLAF becomes the default LAF for NetBeans (or de facto default when people post screenshots etc.), then we should try to modify it so that NetBeans does not appear to merely copy IntelliJ. The proposal at https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3115 achieves some of this (see separate discussion there). -- Eirik -----Original Message----- From: Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:09 PM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: AW: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13? I’m on windows. I like flat design so in general the FlatLaF is exactly what I wanted. I liked the UI (not the UX) from IntelliJ from the very first time. I also switched to FlatLaF due to the nice dark FlatLaF because we don’t have a good default dark one. Foe me all the default NetBeans themes look ugly (not nice, etc.). But as I said, it is a matter of taste and not everyone likes flat design or material design or fluent design (New one with Windows 10/11). Von: Eirik Bakke Gesendet: Montag, 1. November 2021 20:57 An: dev@netbeans.apache.org Betreff: RE: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13? > as Neil said, a lot of people don’t like the Default theme for Windows or mac > (me either). Are each of you on Windows, MacOS, and/or Linux? The Windows LAF was just overhauled, so more time may be needed to collect feedback: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2967 https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/3114 (Some recent MacOS/Aqua LAF rendering improvements as well: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2970 ) -- Eirik -----Original Message----- From: Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 3:25 PM To: dev@netbeans.apache.org Subject: AW: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13? +1 to make FlatLaF as default. You Always can switch back, if you want, but as Neil said, a lot of people don’t like the Default theme for Windows or mac (me either). At the end it is a matter of taste. I like dark most but I’m for making light Default and you can switch to dark if you want. I know there was a discussion about to add a dialog at the very first start of NetBeans to make some simple stuff like change the LaF to light/dark and some other stuff like what IntelliJ do. But I also can create a plugin for this. Cheers Chris Von: Neil C Smith Gesendet: Montag, 1. November 2021 15:01 An: dev Betreff: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13? Hi, So, now we've branched off 12.6, and we know that the next release will be NetBeans 13, require JDK 11+, and hopefully ship with nb-javac included .. is it time we changed (improved?! :-) ) how NetBeans looks out of the box too? Should we consider FlatLaf (light or dark) as the default look and feel from NetBeans 13? This is partly prompted by working through a few JIRA tickets with HiDPI issues resolved by switching, a few snarky social media comments about NetBeans' appearance I've seen recently where the go-to replies seem to just be to tell people to switch to FlatLaf .. and the fact I'm constantly switching even when debugging because the GTK theme on Ubuntu is borderline unusable. So, what do you think? For or against? Maybe also add what you do use, and light or dark, in a reply - it might make some sense if we defaulted to what the majority of us use in practise? Best wishes, Neil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
