RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted

[Eirik Bakke]

Great--I sent a Zoom invite to you and Venus.

Anyone else who'd like to join, just let me know, and I'll send you the invite.

-- Eirik

From: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk>
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 10:25 AM
To: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com>; Venus Chung <ve...@quantr.hk>
Cc: Apache NetBeans <dev@netbeans.apache.org>; Peter Cheung 
<mcheun...@hotmail.com>; Arafat BOUCHAFRA <arafat...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted

Dear Eirik
    Thanks for your time, how about HKT sat 9am please?


Thanks

From Peter (System Architect, Quantr Limited https://www.quantr.hk , Mobile : 
96554595)

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From: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:20 PM
To: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk>; Venus Chung <ve...@quantr.hk>
Cc: Apache NetBeans <dev@netbeans.apache.org>; Peter Cheung 
<mcheun...@hotmail.com>; Arafat BOUCHAFRA <arafat...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted


Saturday morning HK time is fine with me! If you pick a time I can send an 
invite.



(Apologies to those in other time zones who were interested in joining--it's 
always night in one of Europe, US East Coast, or Hong Kong. I'll send out a 
summary of the meeting afterwards like the previous time.)



Thanks again!



-- Eirik



From: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk>
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:37 AM
To: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com>; Venus Chung <ve...@quantr.hk>
Cc: Apache NetBeans <dev@netbeans.apache.org>; Peter Cheung 
<mcheun...@hotmail.com>; Arafat BOUCHAFRA <arafat...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



Hi

   Can we do sat morning?



Thanks

Peter (System Architect, Quantr Limited)

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寄件者: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com>
寄件日期: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:30:43 PM
收件者: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk>; Venus Chung <ve...@quantr.hk>
副本: Apache NetBeans <dev@netbeans.apache.org>; Peter Cheung 
<mcheun...@hotmail.com>; Arafat BOUCHAFRA <arafat...@gmail.com>
主旨: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



Excellent work, Venus and Peter! Looks great! I can help review and adjust a 
few pixel alignment issues, but this work will definitively be usable.



I could do another Zoom chat most days 8am-11am Hong Kong time, for instance. 
(I'm on US east coast time now.)



-- Eirik



From: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk>
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 4:19 AM
To: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com>; Venus Chung <ve...@quantr.hk>
Cc: Apache NetBeans <dev@netbeans.apache.org>; Peter Cheung 
<mcheun...@hotmail.com>; Arafat BOUCHAFRA <arafat...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



Hey Eirik and All

    Please check the attachment. Is the designs good? Sorry i was so busy. Have 
a sync up meeting?



Thanks

From Peter (System Architect, Quantr Limited https://www.quantr.hk , Mobile : 
96554595)

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From: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:48 AM
To: Venus Chung <ve...@quantr.hk>
Cc: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk>; Apache NetBeans <dev@netbeans.apache.org>; 
Peter Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com>; Arafat BOUCHAFRA <arafat...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



In case it is helpful, I made a quick screencast video showing the icon drawing 
process I used in the past, in Adobe Illustrator:



https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/667860571



-- Eirik



From: Arafat BOUCHAFRA <arafat...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 9:35 AM
To: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com>
Cc: Venus Chung <ve...@quantr.hk>; Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk>; Apache 
NetBeans <dev@netbeans.apache.org>; Peter Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



No worries, thanks for the update!



Le mer. 19 janv. 2022 à 14:35, Eirik Bakke 
<eba...@ultorg.com<mailto:eba...@ultorg.com>> a écrit :

Sorry about that--thank you for your help with this project! Happy to answer 
any questions, or to do a screen sharing session.



(When I was drawing icons myself, it took me many hours to figure out the right 
tools to use in Illustrator to get the right result. But it goes faster after a 
few icons!)



There is also a style guide at 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2617 .



-- Eirik



From: Venus Chung <ve...@quantr.hk<mailto:ve...@quantr.hk>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 1:34 AM
To: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com<mailto:eba...@ultorg.com>>; Peter Cheung 
<pe...@quantr.hk<mailto:pe...@quantr.hk>>; 
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Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com<mailto:mcheun...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: 回覆: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



Dear All,



I made a mistake,I designed the wrong icon, it needs to be redesigned, please 
give me more time.



Best Regards,
Venus

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寄件者: Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com<mailto:eba...@ultorg.com>>
寄件日期: 2022年1月18日 下午 11:11
收件者: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk<mailto:pe...@quantr.hk>>; 
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副本: Arafat BOUCHAFRA <arafat...@gmail.com<mailto:arafat...@gmail.com>>; Peter 
Cheung <mcheun...@hotmail.com<mailto:mcheun...@hotmail.com>>; Venus Chung 
<ve...@quantr.hk<mailto:ve...@quantr.hk>>
主旨: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



Hi, Peter.



Thank you so much for these efforts!! Could we see what the icons look like 
without Pixel Preview enabled? (View->Pixel Preview in Illustrator)



Might you also send the latest version of the Illustrator file? I'd love to 
have a look at grid alignments, and see the new icons against the background 
layer with the old bitmap icons, and at different resolutions etc.



Happy to meet next week. I could do anytime 8am-11am Hong Kong time, for 
instance. Feel free to pick a day.



Thanks again very much to Venus and you!



-- Eirik

(Now on US east coast time.)



From: Peter Cheung <pe...@quantr.hk<mailto:pe...@quantr.hk>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:45 AM
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Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



Dear Eirik & All

    Let's have a wrap-up meeting next week?



Thanks

From Peter (System Architect, Quantr Limited https://www.quantr.hk , Mobile : 
96554595)

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Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



Dear all

    Please see the last three rows, is the style matched?



Thanks

From Peter (System Architect, Quantr Limited https://www.quantr.hk , Mobile : 
96554595)

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Subject: RE: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted



I think I understand your goal, and this thread now has a good summary of pros 
and cons.

Again, this is really up to whoever does the icon drawing work. Myself, I have 
just contributed the icons that happened to be used in my NetBeans Platform app.

Would you be interested in participating in the actual icon drawing process, by 
the way? Or is the use of Adobe Illustrator a deal-breaker for you? My company 
could pay for a license.

Alternatively we could try to work out an Inkscape process, if someone wants to 
commit to drawing a significant number of icons in it (separate from the ones 
Peter Cheung is working on). Although the lack of an Artboards feature in 
Inkscape could be a problem.

-- Eirik
[1] 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/13026411/13026411_210604+Icons+Overview+Cropped.png

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From: Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org<mailto:neilcsm...@apache.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:18 AM
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Subject: Re: New theme for netbeans, team member wanted

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 15:48, Eirik Bakke 
<eba...@ultorg.com<mailto:eba...@ultorg.com>> wrote:
> Sorry, to clarify: The point about the color palette was my own. My argument 
> is that the existing NetBeans icon style is not very well-suited for 
> assigning logical colors. In order to designate a meaningful, configurable, 
> "accent color", for example, we would have to change the overall color 
> palette of the entire icon set. And that's something that's easier to do 
> after-the-fact than up-front (see my earlier explanation for why).

This is where I somewhat disagree, although I think we're talking about 
different things.

Take 3 different icons - folder, warning, and lightbulb (not sure we have one, 
but ...)

They might all be the same shade of yellow.  However, maybe you want the folder 
icons to take on the accent colour of a look and feel, while a dark theme might 
want to make the shades of the other two a darker yellow, or just the warning 
to match other things in the theme.

Maybe we want to edit the icon files later - this could apply there as much as 
in icon loading.

The point was that to have the icons encode the context of a fill colour (eg. 
CSS class), as well as the colour itself, is potentially useful in multiple 
ways.  And as far as I'm aware, easier to define upfront in a template for all 
icons, than later.  At least in Inkscape (I'm a libre graphics person! :-)) I 
would set up the common stylesheet / palette first, then apply to each shape.

Best wishes,

Neil

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