I thought Neil had said that gpl2/cp-exception, could be finessed
through Apache, so I'm wondering... And I don't know if Apache considers
CDDL unacceptable.
But I still think that LSP through the plugin portal is the way to go.
Getting that to work, ironing out any kinks in the process for
debugger/searching/... would be invaluable for bringing in a host of
languages.
Back to the contrib. I did not see any 'license.txt' (or similarly
named) files, so there appears to be no global/overarching claim. Did
you find any files without a license header that had a copyright? I'm
not sure what their legal status would be, but I'd be hesitant about
using it without a good lawyer and/or organization firmly backing it up;
or maybe some well known legal precedence which I probably wouldn't be
aware of.
[IANAL] My opinion is that the NetBeans team is being overly
conservative (the question of copyrighted and unlicensed files, if any
exist, has to be addressed) if it's true that gpl2/cp can be finessed.
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Are you joking when you say "does this mean I can't remove this header"?
Lawyers/legalese can be extremely twisted, but that look pretty
straightforward. It's my understanding that it's up to the copyright holder.
-ernie
On 4/3/22 7:03 AM, Eric Bresie wrote:
I was looking at the "nbPython Mercurial '' repo (
https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ) as well as
a forked mavenized version https://github.com/timboudreau/netbeans-contrib
) and picked a random files and found there are some files without any
headers and others with Oracle copy right and CDDL license markings like
the below.
So here is my license inexperience here...does this mean I can't remove
this header (and relicense to Apache for example) without approval (i.e.
similar to the Donation process in work) or keep the same markings and add
to it with additional licenses applicable?
Side note, the license URL listed at http://www.netbeans.org/cddl-gplv2.htm
is not accessible anymore. Is a redirect needed for this?
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On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 12:54 PM Ernie Rael <[email protected]> wrote:
It seems like you missed my main point. I'm familiar with the history of
the oracle donations and python; it's seems unlikely it will ever be
donated.
The NB python code can be used in a plugin portal project.
I just looked. The python stuff in the old contrib area is
"CDDL-GPL-2-CP" so it can freely be used in any project.
-ernie
On 4/2/22 10:30 AM, Eric Bresie wrote:
Regarding the license…
Based on previous conversations as I’m aware, there was the original
nbPython development, which basically forked with much of it becoming part
of the contrib in the codebase in Oracle control which fell under
applicable Oracle IP and licensing concerns.
When Netbeans was donated to Apache, the code for the contrib had to be
done in separate drops of donation to ensure proper IP and licensing
venting was addressed. The contrib/nbpython was to be part of donation 6
but has not been finalized yet.
________________________________
From: Ernie Rael <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 10:21:22 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Usage of NBPython Code
Isn't the python code CDDL or somesuch?
If your project is made available as a plugin, then you don't have to
worry about Apache licensing issues and you can use whatever you want
within whatever license. Python support could be loaded through the
plugin portal.
On 4/2/22 7:43 AM, Eric Bresie wrote:
I am presently working on a new LSP based Python plugin (
https://github.com/ebresie/python4nb) which is still in early
development,
and was hoping to avoid having to reproduce too much, hoped to leverage
some existing code from nbPython. This is not necessarily the version
from the 8.x Netbean code base contrib which is still awaiting formal
donation. If this does get donated then working with that would be
preferable but in lieu of that, I'm working on as much of a new LSP
based
implementation as possible.
Many of the nbPython sites and pages (http://nbpython.org/) have not
actively been updated since about 2015 or are no longer reachable.
There
seems to be some presences on SourceForge site (
https://sourceforge.net/projects/nbpython/ ) from which some version of
code is available (
https://sourceforge.net/p/nbpython/mercurial/ci/default/tree/ ).
I hoped to reach out here to see if anyone on the list could speak for
the
former nbpython developers and to determine if usage of any of this
codebase is possible. If not then I will work on new code where
necessary
but figured it may help speed up the process.
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