What is happening with people in 2023?
Attempted bribery (another topic), threatening veto-s and supporters...
With all my respect, Jarda, please don't act like this!
We are talking and trying to find a solution to a problem:
Java 8 is becoming a dead weight on this project.
That's a fact, throwing a tantrum over it is not an adult way to handle
the situation.
Could you elaborate please, how would that affect your world, if for
example. NetBeans 20 modules would be compiled with release 11 target?
Using lookup and other core modules on Android? Since you are on JDK 8,
what would happen if you would stick with your libraries on NetBeans 19?
That's certainly possible. Any other use case?
Previously you've offered on ideas to separate the language and the
target JDK, so the target JDK can be level 8. There were no real use
cases other than we can run on Java 8. By now it seems like an obsession.
So reason, do not threat! Offer alternatives! The one, so far, it seems
was not good enough.
Help me understand, that those projects which are stuck on Java 8 for
whatever reason, why can't stuck on a specific NetBeans version as well?
Help me understand, what's wrong with maintaining a branch for NetBeans
which kept on Java 8 and backport necessary stuff from master every now
and then. That could be released, auto updated in need?
Also, what would be of the scope of this "Java 8 Forever!" movement? The
platform (with harness, core) cluster? The ide cluster? All we know, is
that the enterprise cluster is a lost cause.
I feel, I've lost one of my heroes today...
On 2/13/23 11:25, Jaroslav Tulach wrote:
Thank you for your reply Neil.
I hope everyone recovered from the last JDK 8 thread and is ready for
the first JDK 8 thread of 2023 :)
Nobody recovers from these threads with you guys without wounds.
-1 (I mean veto) on dropping JDK 8 support.
If this were a lazy consensus thread, and we're not there yet, I'd
expect a -1
As you probably know, I am not participating in day-to-day development of
NetBeans. It may happen I miss the vote thread - technically it might be
presented as my mistake, but in reality it would be an obstruction, because
everyone of you shall know:
I am voting against dropping support for JDK 8.
At any vote you ever call - even if I miss it. Please be so nice and make sure
I know that a vote is about to happen. Otherwise I will challenge that vote at
Apache authorities.
to cover a lot more about an alternative way forward,
addressing the resource issues, testing capacity constraints, peoples'
time, priorities in supporting JDK 21+, release headaches, etc.
That's what I have been providing to you for the last three years (at least).
You were never listening to me. Whenever I tried to move NetBeans IDE forward,
while keeping the wide usability of NetBeans Platform, you said no.
Well, it is my turn now. I am saying no to "blind" dropping of JDK 8 support.
I hope we can find a consensus way forward on all that, but if not we
end up with a majority vote on the issue.
I certainly hope we find a consensus. That was always the goal behind all my
proposals in the last few years.
Threatening with a "non-veto" vote on a code issue is a bit nasty, but I can
live with it. Just keep me informed, so I can mobilize supporters.
And soon we'll end up with 8, 11, 17, 21 and 22-ea. That does not
feel sustainable.
Why not? It is a machine doing the testing and it runs "for free". Anyway if
you want to simplify the matrix - then drop 11 or 17 or 21 - they are all the
same anyway. The the important thing is the bottom and then whether it shall
be JDK8 or not!
Let the negotiations begin!
-jt
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