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Java 8 is also LTS and many out there are still stuck to it. I support
Jarda, too.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 6:25 PM toni.ep...@eppleton.de <
toni.ep...@eppleton.de> wrote:

> -1
>
> I agree with Jarda. Having the portability for platforms like Android is
> important, and I support the proposed alternative.
>
>
>
> Von: Jaroslav Tulach <jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com>
> Datum: Mittwoch, 5. April 2023 um 17:13
> An: dev <dev@netbeans.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping
> JDK 8)
> -1
>
> Background: http://wiki.apidesign.org/wiki/Portability
>
>
> Alternative:
>
> - I will maintain what ever needs to be maintained to keep JDK 8 CI tests
> running
>
> - From Apache NetBeans 19, the minimum JDK required to build and run
> the IDE will be JDK 11.
>
> - The minimum JDK to run and test the NetBeans Platform and modules up to
> VSCode & Jackpot remains JDK 8.
>
> - Usage of JDK11, JDK17, etc. API is possible in dedicated modules via
> http://
> wiki.apidesign.org/wiki/AlternativeImplementation
>
>
> Justification:
>
> Writing in Java (a language designed to write once and run everywhere)
> greatly
> increases portability. However there is another axis hurting portability -
> the
> supported JDK version. Of course, should a library be widely used, it has
> to
> support as oldest JDK as possible. These days it is JDK8 - the primary
> reason
> being that Android supports JDK8 - as such, should a library aspire to be
> used
> on Android (as well as regular Java), it needs to stick to version eight.
>
> There's transitivity of non-portability - the portability of the final
> application cannot be bigger than portability of the least portable library
> used. This applies also to 3rd party dependencies a framework or library
> has:
> again their non-portability may negatively affect portability of such
> framework
> or library.
>
> Of course, writing portable libraries is harder. It requires more work from
> the API author, more self-control, more suffering. However such suffering
> is
> justifiable. There is usually a single API writer, but there are many
> users to
> it. What matters is to simplify and improve experience of those API users -
> own author suffering doesn't matter that much.
>
> > # Proposed policy
> >
> > * Apache NetBeans 18 will be the last release to support running the
> > platform on JDK 8.
> >
> > * From Apache NetBeans 19, the minimum JDK required to build and run
> > the IDE or platform will be JDK 11.
> >
> > * Future releases will take an "LTS-1" strategy for building and
> > running (and CI testing) of the IDE and platform. Three JDKs will be
> > supported at any one time - the current JDK, plus the previous two LTS
> > releases. eg. NetBeans 20 and 21 (Nov 2023 / Feb 2024) will support
> > JDK 11, 17 and 21. NetBeans 22 (May 2024) will support JDK 17, 21 and
> > 22.
> >
> > ## Background
> >
> > The Apache NetBeans IDE has officially required JDK 11 to build and
> > run since NetBeans 13 in March 2022. The platform (and unofficially
> > the IDE) have continued to support running on JDK 8 - all modules
> > requiring a higher JDK must currently be optional. Various tests have
> > continued on JDK 8.
> >
> > This situation is causing issues as workarounds must be found for
> > currently non-optional features that have dependencies or other
> > requirements for running on a higher JDK (eg. Maven indexing / Lucene
> > [1]). It's causing delays, complications and missed testing time in
> > integration of new features (eg. problems merging support for EE 10
> > [2]). Supporting an increasing range of JDKs is causing increasing
> > workload, both for people and CI. Meeting the challenges of deprecated
> > (for removal) features in the JDK is also complicated by the
> > additional JDK requirements.
> >
> > ## Notes
> >
> > * Apache NetBeans users will continue to be recommended to use the
> > current or latest LTS JDK to run the IDE.  The IDE will continue to
> > support users developing projects for/with JDK 8, for as long as
> > nb-javac and other dependencies allow.
> >
> > * This proposal specifically doesn't address when the default bytecode
> > level across the codebase is increased. This can happen when required,
> > but non-optional modules would be free to adopt the minimum JDK as
> > they need to.
> >
> > * Optional modules may continue to require a runtime JDK higher than
> > the minimum.  Should it become necessary, build time optional modules
> > might be considered - eg. a build on the minimum JDK may exclude
> > modules that will not run on that JDK at runtime.
> >
> > * Some modules that are of independent use (eg. lookup, utilities,
> > etc.) might be nominated and advertised to continue JDK 8 support for
> > the time being. This is not expected to cover the runtime container as
> > a whole -
> https://netbeans.apache.org/tutorials/nbm-runtime-container.html
> >
> > * Once NetBeans 19 is released, the NetBeans 18 release branch could
> > be used to backport and release JDK 8 supporting fixes, subject to any
> > PMC members wanting to manage those releases.
> >
> > * The term "platform" is used in reference to the whole framework of
> > modules that we release (eg. via Maven), not just the platform
> > cluster.
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4999
> > [2] https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4692
> >
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