"All I'm saying is that with the last N years of unprecedented attention the web technologies have leaped light years ahead of everything else in terms of basic UI."
As far as I can tell, that is a a false statement. Web UIs are still severely behind for complex layout and even something as simple as a table. I have yet to see a HTML table that can scroll content independent of headers and keep the headers aligned to the columns, without massive ugly hacks. It should be trivial. It is not. That is with all that developer attention. That's ignoring things like choosing which columns to show, letting the user drag column headers to arrange them how they want, etc. When you can't even render a simple table, all the extras, like popup ballon notifications (which are easy to add to Swing/JavaFX) don't make up for it. Scott On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Dmitry Avtonomov < dmitriy.avtono...@gmail.com> wrote: > All I'm saying is that with the last N years of unprecedented attention > the web technologies have leaped light years ahead of everything else in > terms of basic UI. > > 90% of the time all I want is: > - A text label that's attached to a text field (maybe with a set of allowed > characters and special formatting) > - They both share the same tooltip > - Textfield is validated upon either lost focus or programmatic update and > a balloon-type notification is shown at the textfield in case of validation > errors. Bonus for using RxSwing (https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxSwing) or > anything else to make validation run when user stops typing for more than 1 > second. > > For me this scenario is quite recurring and I still don't know how to > achieve that easily with swing, to the point that I just give up and do > validation once, manually, when Ok button is clicked, and show a modal > dialog about the errors. But as forms get longer and multi-page this works > less and less well. Write functions to do those things? Like write my own > thing that would paint stuff over glass pane to notify about errors? I'm a > postdoc, doing mass spectrometry, I do like writing programs and code, but > I can't devote all my time to infrastructure like that and I'm devoting an > enormous amount of time to maintaining those swing UIs for people who > aren't that good with the command line. > > All I need is a good framework on top of swing that would help me out with > those things. In JS there's probably 100s. In swing I'm using Balloontip ( > https://github.com/timmolderez/balloontip) to manually display/remove > tips, > babysitting them to show up, go away etc. You could say - ok, write your > own lib with your current experience applying the same pattern over and > over again, and I would had I been doing a CS major or maybe had no other > software to maintain/develop. These simple concerns have already been > solved by other people. unfortunately for other systems, not java swing > (please don't hurt me, it's probably been solved for swing, but I don't > know about it or I don't know how to use it or some other excuse). > > Maybe you could help me out, point to some reading? I'm obviously missing > something. > > I'm sorry if my previous answer somehow offended you, Chuck. It looks like > sarcasm, but I really can't tell. >
