I have to agree with Gili...
Sometimes it feels that nobody cares... I created a ticket a month ago about an improvement in the NetBeans Git integration and decided to code it myself. Then I submitted a PR and eventually the reviewing process started. But the reviewer has had many objections to my request (which is perfectly fine). I told him that the Eclipse JGit library was OSGi based and that it had external dependencies that were triggered during the bootstrapping of NetBeans. I even contacted the Eclipse team to tell them that one of their OSGi dependencies wasn't even used in their JGit library, the lead developer realized that it was a mistake and he fixed it! After that, I sent more questions and comments to the reviewer to understand how I could resolve the remaining issues in an acceptable way, but to no avail. The reviewer just stopped answering my questions! Now it's been 25 days and nothing... So, I put a lot of time into this for what at the end? I don't think that this is how you're going to attract new developers to contribute to this project... Christian On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:36 PM, cowwoc <[email protected]> wrote: > I did. Multiple times. > > One of the issues I brought up was the copy/paste bug I linked to below. > When I brought it up in the mailing list in the past I got no replies. > > That issue (and its linked counterparts) are very annoying (for obvious > reasons). I suspect no one else is experiencing this problem because it > seems too major to ignore. > > Gili > > > On 2018-04-20 1:21 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >> Rather than filing hundreds of issues, I recommend you pick one, just one, >> and open a discussion thread around that. Once people have seen and >> discussed your issue on the mailing list, probably one of those will >> volunteer to tix it. >> >> Gj >> >> On Friday, April 20, 2018, cowwoc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This is precisely the kind of fixes I'm talking about. I understand that >>> IntelliJ has many features that Netbeans does not, but I'm primarily >>> focused on improving the *core* development functionality (this is >>> because >>> it impacts all other project types). We've got many of the pieces in >>> place, >>> but UI problems make that functionality annoying/slow to use. >>> Specifically >>> on the point of 4k monitors, I keep on saying that it is impossible to >>> copy/paste correctly: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-235 >>> (see linked issues as well) >>> >>> I have already filed thousands of issues before (literally), but those >>> got >>> flushed down the drain when we migrated to Apache. I've already filed >>> some >>> issues in Apache JIRA but for now there hasn't been much movement >>> (committers are understandably working on their own issues before looking >>> at other people's issues). Nothing personal against you guys but I don't >>> have the time/energy to re-file all those bug reports. Family emergencies >>> are keeping me super busy nowadays and frankly I don't see the point of >>> doing all this work until I see some movement on the issues that I >>> already >>> filed. >>> >>> Gili >>> >>> On 2018-04-20 10:20 AM, John Leon wrote: >>> >>> I have been compiling a list myself of things I wanted to improve with >>>> NetBeans as a relatively new user. I'll share them here, but I will also >>>> keep an eye out for the Wiki page that Wade is going to make and try to >>>> contribute there. Here are some of the examples I had in my list: >>>> >>>> - The Wizard dialog is always too small and I have to resize the >>>> window >>>> to read everything. I want to make it remember the size of the last >>>> Wizard >>>> window. (This was going to be my first real plugin attempt) >>>> - The Project Groups menu item should have a sub-menu listing >>>> project >>>> groups in addition to the existing dialog window. This would allow >>>> someone >>>> to go File->Project Groups->My Project X directly, and only open >>>> the >>>> "project group manager" window if you need to add/modify groups. >>>> (Very >>>> minor convenience improvement) >>>> - Better 4k monitor support (right now requires fiddling with >>>> dpiaware >>>> and font size, sometimes images are scaled and pixelated still) >>>> - Can't run Windows command prompt in the Terminal >>>> - Add more padding/borders to the Darcula L&F as it feels crowded >>>> to >>>> me >>>> - With some L&F Some status bar/tooltips >>>> - Right click a file/folder -> Open in Explorer (Think this is a >>>> optional 3rd party plugin only currently) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Christian Lenz <[email protected] >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Some other People say that, better indexing with NB over IntelliJ but I >>>> >>>>> can say sometimes yes and sometimes not. I can say what I tested was >>>>> the >>>>> go >>>>> to file and this is often clunky in NetBeans or the quick search is not >>>>> that fast over intelliJ and and and. Open Options Needs some MS to open >>>>> etc. So I can say that the Performance of IntelliJ is way better in >>>>> different cases than in NetBeans. I will add some comparisions too. >>>>> >>>>> So NetBeans is my full enviroment for almost everything what NetBeans >>>>> can >>>>> handle for hopefully for more in the future and yes I can feel the >>>>> indexing >>>>> Problem too, what Wade mentioned. For Code completion, for go to >>>>> whatever, >>>>> searching etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> Von: Geertjan Wielenga >>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 20. April 2018 13:56 >>>>> An: [email protected] >>>>> Betreff: Re: IntelliJ IDEA vs Netbeans >>>>> >>>>> Deklunkification on indexing and performance levels can be done with >>>>> the >>>>> code currently in Apache NetBeans Git. Jaroslav Tulach will have >>>>> insights >>>>> as well as gratitude for help in this area, while note that indexing >>>>> and >>>>> performance have subjective aspects, e.g., even in this thread there’s >>>>> a >>>>> preference expressed of NetBeans over IntelliJ in relation to >>>>> performance. >>>>> >>>>> Gj >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, April 20, 2018, Wade Chandler <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 04:49 Geertjan Wielenga < >>>>> >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Deklunkifyng NetBeans was never a big goal in Oracle though now, in >>>>>> Apache, >>>>>> >>>>>> this really seems a doable target and one we can work on together. >>>>>>> Many >>>>>>> deklunkification tasks are probably quite trivial. How best to tackle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this >>>>>> >>>>>> and who will take the lead in beginning to list these? Any deklunking >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> am >>>>>> >>>>>> able to implement I will implement, just provide a very specific list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>> we’ll form a NetBeans deklunking taskforce. >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 this has been my goal with the move to Apache, and once we get >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> >>>>>> of >>>>>> the other bits over plan to try to tackle much of it. I love >>>>>> "Deklunkification Taskforce"! >>>>>> >>>>>> My biggest item I plan to look at is the indexing which blocks some >>>>>> >>>>>> things, >>>>> >>>>> and impacts performance. It is really as far as I can tell the main >>>>>> performance difference as it has impacts on the editor and other UI >>>>>> actions. >>>>>> >>>>>> I much more prefer the integration of NB with the tools project >>>>>> support >>>>>> versus rolling our own. The classpath and build differences can really >>>>>> >>>>>> be a >>>>> >>>>> bear sometimes when having differences between the two, and builds or >>>>>> executions work in one side, but not the other. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I find this a strength of NB, as I have helped team members over >>>>>> the >>>>>> years with such issues in other environments. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will create a page in the Wiki later if nobody else has; right now I >>>>>> >>>>>> must >>>>> >>>>> get ready for CodeStock! >>>>>> >>>>>> Wade >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
