“25 days and nothing” — yes, that’s how it’s going to be for a while until we are a real Apache project, whereas right now we’re in process moving from Oracle to Apache. Though note you’re going to always be responsible for making your own party — if you provide a PR or issue and no one responds, create a new discussion thread here, i.e., new from scratch, to discuss it.
Gj On Saturday, April 21, 2018, Christian Bourque <christian.bour...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have to agree with Gili... > > > Sometimes it feels that nobody cares... I created a ticket a month ago > about an improvement in the NetBeans Git integration and decided to code it > myself. > > > Then I submitted a PR and eventually the reviewing process started. But the > reviewer has had many objections to my request (which is perfectly fine). I > told him that the Eclipse JGit library was OSGi based and that it had > external dependencies that were triggered during the bootstrapping of > NetBeans. I even contacted the Eclipse team to tell them that one of their > OSGi dependencies wasn't even used in their JGit library, the lead > developer realized that it was a mistake and he fixed it! > > > After that, I sent more questions and comments to the reviewer to > understand how I could resolve the remaining issues in an acceptable way, > but to no avail. The reviewer just stopped answering my questions! Now it's > been 25 days and nothing... So, I put a lot of time into this for what at > the end? > > > I don't think that this is how you're going to attract new developers to > contribute to this project... > > > Christian > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:36 PM, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote: > > > I did. Multiple times. > > > > One of the issues I brought up was the copy/paste bug I linked to below. > > When I brought it up in the mailing list in the past I got no replies. > > > > That issue (and its linked counterparts) are very annoying (for obvious > > reasons). I suspect no one else is experiencing this problem because it > > seems too major to ignore. > > > > Gili > > > > > > On 2018-04-20 1:21 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > > >> Rather than filing hundreds of issues, I recommend you pick one, just > one, > >> and open a discussion thread around that. Once people have seen and > >> discussed your issue on the mailing list, probably one of those will > >> volunteer to tix it. > >> > >> Gj > >> > >> On Friday, April 20, 2018, cowwoc <cow...@bbs.darktech.org> wrote: > >> > >> This is precisely the kind of fixes I'm talking about. I understand that > >>> IntelliJ has many features that Netbeans does not, but I'm primarily > >>> focused on improving the *core* development functionality (this is > >>> because > >>> it impacts all other project types). We've got many of the pieces in > >>> place, > >>> but UI problems make that functionality annoying/slow to use. > >>> Specifically > >>> on the point of 4k monitors, I keep on saying that it is impossible to > >>> copy/paste correctly: https://issues.apache.org/ > jira/browse/NETBEANS-235 > >>> (see linked issues as well) > >>> > >>> I have already filed thousands of issues before (literally), but those > >>> got > >>> flushed down the drain when we migrated to Apache. I've already filed > >>> some > >>> issues in Apache JIRA but for now there hasn't been much movement > >>> (committers are understandably working on their own issues before > looking > >>> at other people's issues). Nothing personal against you guys but I > don't > >>> have the time/energy to re-file all those bug reports. Family > emergencies > >>> are keeping me super busy nowadays and frankly I don't see the point of > >>> doing all this work until I see some movement on the issues that I > >>> already > >>> filed. > >>> > >>> Gili > >>> > >>> On 2018-04-20 10:20 AM, John Leon wrote: > >>> > >>> I have been compiling a list myself of things I wanted to improve with > >>>> NetBeans as a relatively new user. I'll share them here, but I will > also > >>>> keep an eye out for the Wiki page that Wade is going to make and try > to > >>>> contribute there. Here are some of the examples I had in my list: > >>>> > >>>> - The Wizard dialog is always too small and I have to resize the > >>>> window > >>>> to read everything. I want to make it remember the size of the > last > >>>> Wizard > >>>> window. (This was going to be my first real plugin attempt) > >>>> - The Project Groups menu item should have a sub-menu listing > >>>> project > >>>> groups in addition to the existing dialog window. This would > allow > >>>> someone > >>>> to go File->Project Groups->My Project X directly, and only open > >>>> the > >>>> "project group manager" window if you need to add/modify groups. > >>>> (Very > >>>> minor convenience improvement) > >>>> - Better 4k monitor support (right now requires fiddling with > >>>> dpiaware > >>>> and font size, sometimes images are scaled and pixelated still) > >>>> - Can't run Windows command prompt in the Terminal > >>>> - Add more padding/borders to the Darcula L&F as it feels crowded > >>>> to > >>>> me > >>>> - With some L&F Some status bar/tooltips > >>>> - Right click a file/folder -> Open in Explorer (Think this is a > >>>> optional 3rd party plugin only currently) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Christian Lenz < > christian.l...@gmx.net > >>>> > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Some other People say that, better indexing with NB over IntelliJ but > I > >>>> > >>>>> can say sometimes yes and sometimes not. I can say what I tested was > >>>>> the > >>>>> go > >>>>> to file and this is often clunky in NetBeans or the quick search is > not > >>>>> that fast over intelliJ and and and. Open Options Needs some MS to > open > >>>>> etc. So I can say that the Performance of IntelliJ is way better in > >>>>> different cases than in NetBeans. I will add some comparisions too. > >>>>> > >>>>> So NetBeans is my full enviroment for almost everything what NetBeans > >>>>> can > >>>>> handle for hopefully for more in the future and yes I can feel the > >>>>> indexing > >>>>> Problem too, what Wade mentioned. For Code completion, for go to > >>>>> whatever, > >>>>> searching etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris > >>>>> > >>>>> Von: Geertjan Wielenga > >>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 20. April 2018 13:56 > >>>>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >>>>> Betreff: Re: IntelliJ IDEA vs Netbeans > >>>>> > >>>>> Deklunkification on indexing and performance levels can be done with > >>>>> the > >>>>> code currently in Apache NetBeans Git. Jaroslav Tulach will have > >>>>> insights > >>>>> as well as gratitude for help in this area, while note that indexing > >>>>> and > >>>>> performance have subjective aspects, e.g., even in this thread > there’s > >>>>> a > >>>>> preference expressed of NetBeans over IntelliJ in relation to > >>>>> performance. > >>>>> > >>>>> Gj > >>>>> > >>>>> On Friday, April 20, 2018, Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 04:49 Geertjan Wielenga < > >>>>> > >>>>>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Deklunkifyng NetBeans was never a big goal in Oracle though now, in > >>>>>> Apache, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> this really seems a doable target and one we can work on together. > >>>>>>> Many > >>>>>>> deklunkification tasks are probably quite trivial. How best to > tackle > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> this > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and who will take the lead in beginning to list these? Any > deklunking > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> am > >>>>>> > >>>>>> able to implement I will implement, just provide a very specific > list > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>> we’ll form a NetBeans deklunking taskforce. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> +1 this has been my goal with the move to Apache, and once we get > >>>>>>> more > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the other bits over plan to try to tackle much of it. I love > >>>>>> "Deklunkification Taskforce"! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My biggest item I plan to look at is the indexing which blocks some > >>>>>> > >>>>>> things, > >>>>> > >>>>> and impacts performance. It is really as far as I can tell the main > >>>>>> performance difference as it has impacts on the editor and other UI > >>>>>> actions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I much more prefer the integration of NB with the tools project > >>>>>> support > >>>>>> versus rolling our own. The classpath and build differences can > really > >>>>>> > >>>>>> be a > >>>>> > >>>>> bear sometimes when having differences between the two, and builds or > >>>>>> executions work in one side, but not the other. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, I find this a strength of NB, as I have helped team members over > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> years with such issues in other environments. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I will create a page in the Wiki later if nobody else has; right > now I > >>>>>> > >>>>>> must > >>>>> > >>>>> get ready for CodeStock! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Wade > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >>> > >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > >
