Cool, no worries...
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote: > > But if, like you said: you were just "a" reviewer, then who's in charge > of making the final decision as whether or not a pull request will be > accepted? > > Any Apache NetBeans committer is free to accept any PR. > > Obviously, if somebody notices something wrong and comments about it, > that's an implied -1 vote. > > We are just volunteers, trying to find some personal time to do this stuff. > > --emi > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On 23 April 2018 1:20 AM, Christian Bourque <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Emilian, > > > > Well, as I'm not yet very familiar with the NetBeans development > > > > intricacies, I thought you were "the" reviewer because when I received > the > > > > first automated email regarding my PR it contained comments from you > saying > > > > that some changes were requested! But if, like you said: you were just > "a" > > > > reviewer, then who's in charge of making the final decision as whether or > > > > not a pull request will be accepted? > > > > The only reason I said that it seemed nobody cared is simply because at > > > > some point you stopped exchanging with me! My last question to you was > > > > about the NetBeans module and how I could determine if it was OSGi or NBM > > > > (like you were asking in your previous comment). > > > > Again, I'm not very familiar with all this so maybe I overreacted and I > > > > apologize! Next time, I'll send a message to the mailing list instead... > > > > Thanks again for your message and comments, they were very constructive! > > > > Christian > > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 7:04 AM, Emilian Bold [email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Christian, > > > > > > I believe I might have been the 'reviewer' on your PR. If so, I > apologise > > > > > > for making you feel unwelcome. > > > > > > It would be nice if you would explain what your expectation in this > case > > > > > > were. (There are some hints in your email, particularly the idea that > there > > > > > > should be continuous feedback, a completion, etc.) > > > > > > From my perspective, I was not "the" reviewer, I was just "a" > reviewer. I > > > > > > noticed your PR, thought about it a bit and gave my feedback. Clearly > the > > > > > > initial PR was too big and there were some problems with those > dependencies. > > > > > > How cool that you also found a bug in JGit, right? > > > > > > Anyhow, don't take a PR personal or so serious. Some "reviewer" might > be > > > > > > more interested in a given PR and follow it to the end. Other > "reviewers" > > > > > > might just be passing through, notice some problems and point them out. > > > > > > I will certainly think more about a review creating a commitment, > > > > > > especially for first-time contributors. > > > > > > Obviously, there's always the option of sending an email on dev@. > Usually > > > > > > GitHub shows me this notification when I get replies, I don't remember > > > > > > seeing anything new from that JGit PR... > > > > > > PS: Don't believe I'm undervaluing your time spent or your > contributing. I > > > > > > have multiple contributions that went nowhere, so I totally know the > > > > > > feeling. I guess for some things you also need good timing... > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > > > On 21 April 2018 1:03 AM, Christian Bourque > [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I have to agree with Gili... > > > > > > > > Sometimes it feels that nobody cares... I created a ticket a month > ago > > > > > > > > about an improvement in the NetBeans Git integration and decided to > code > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > myself. > > > > > > > > Then I submitted a PR and eventually the reviewing process started. > But > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > reviewer has had many objections to my request (which is perfectly > > > > > > > > fine). I > > > > > > > > told him that the Eclipse JGit library was OSGi based and that it had > > > > > > > > external dependencies that were triggered during the bootstrapping of > > > > > > > > NetBeans. I even contacted the Eclipse team to tell them that one of > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > OSGi dependencies wasn't even used in their JGit library, the lead > > > > > > > > developer realized that it was a mistake and he fixed it! > > > > > > > > After that, I sent more questions and comments to the reviewer to > > > > > > > > understand how I could resolve the remaining issues in an acceptable > way, > > > > > > > > but to no avail. The reviewer just stopped answering my questions! > Now > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > been 25 days and nothing... So, I put a lot of time into this for > what at > > > > > > > > the end? > > > > > > > > I don't think that this is how you're going to attract new > developers to > > > > > > > > contribute to this project... > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:36 PM, cowwoc [email protected] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I did. Multiple times. > > > > > > > > > > One of the issues I brought up was the copy/paste bug I linked to > > > > > > > > > > below. > > > > > > > > > When I brought it up in the mailing list in the past I got no > replies. > > > > > > > > > > That issue (and its linked counterparts) are very annoying (for > obvious > > > > > > > > > > reasons). I suspect no one else is experiencing this problem > because it > > > > > > > > > > seems too major to ignore. > > > > > > > > > > Gili > > > > > > > > > > On 2018-04-20 1:21 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Rather than filing hundreds of issues, I recommend you pick one, > > > > > > > > > > > > just one, > > > > > > > > > > and open a discussion thread around that. Once people have seen > and > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed your issue on the mailing list, probably one of those > will > > > > > > > > > > > > volunteer to tix it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 20, 2018, cowwoc [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the kind of fixes I'm talking about. I > understand > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > IntelliJ has many features that Netbeans does not, but I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily > > > > > > > > > > > focused on improving the core development functionality (this > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it impacts all other project types). We've got many of the > pieces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > place, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but UI problems make that functionality annoying/slow to use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Specifically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the point of 4k monitors, I keep on saying that it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impossible to > > > > > > > > > > > copy/paste correctly: https://issues.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jira/browse/NETBEANS-235 > > > > > > > > > > > (see linked issues as well) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already filed thousands of issues before (literally), > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flushed down the drain when we migrated to Apache. I've already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filed > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues in Apache JIRA but for now there hasn't been much > movement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (committers are understandably working on their own issues > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking > > > > > > > > > > > at other people's issues). Nothing personal against you guys > but I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > have the time/energy to re-file all those bug reports. Family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emergencies > > > > > > > > > > > are keeping me super busy nowadays and frankly I don't see the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > > > > doing all this work until I see some movement on the issues > that I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gili > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2018-04-20 10:20 AM, John Leon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been compiling a list myself of things I wanted to > improve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > NetBeans as a relatively new user. I'll share them here, but > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will also > > > > > > > > > > > > keep an eye out for the Wiki page that Wade is going to make > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute there. Here are some of the examples I had in my > list: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - The Wizard dialog is always too small and I have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resize the > > > > > > > > > > > window > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to read everything. I want to make it remember the size of > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > Wizard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > window. (This was going to be my first real plugin attempt) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - The Project Groups menu item should have a sub-menu > listing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > groups in addition to the existing dialog window. This would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to go File->Project Groups->My Project X directly, and only > open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "project group manager" window if you need to add/modify > groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minor convenience improvement) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Better 4k monitor support (right now requires fiddling > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpiaware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and font size, sometimes images are scaled and pixelated > still) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Can't run Windows command prompt in the Terminal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Add more padding/borders to the Darcula L&F as it feels > crowded > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - With some L&F Some status bar/tooltips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Right click a file/folder -> Open in Explorer (Think > this is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > optional 3rd party plugin only currently) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Christian Lenz < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other People say that, better indexing with NB over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IntelliJ but I > > > > > > > > > > > > > can say sometimes yes and sometimes not. I can say what I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested was > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to file and this is often clunky in NetBeans or the quick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > that fast over intelliJ and and and. Open Options Needs > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MS to open > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. So I can say that the Performance of IntelliJ is way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better in > > > > > > > > > > > > > different cases than in NetBeans. I will add some > comparisions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So NetBeans is my full enviroment for almost everything > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NetBeans > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handle for hopefully for more in the future and yes I can > feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > indexing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Problem too, what Wade mentioned. For Code completion, for > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > searching etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: Geertjan Wielenga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. April 2018 13:56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betreff: Re: IntelliJ IDEA vs Netbeans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deklunkification on indexing and performance levels can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done with > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > code currently in Apache NetBeans Git. Jaroslav Tulach will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > insights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well as gratitude for help in this area, while note that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indexing > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > performance have subjective aspects, e.g., even in this > thread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there’s > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > preference expressed of NetBeans over IntelliJ in relation > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > performance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 20, 2018, Wade Chandler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 04:49 Geertjan Wielenga < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deklunkifyng NetBeans was never a big goal in Oracle > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this really seems a doable target and one we can work on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deklunkification tasks are probably quite trivial. How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best to tackle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and who will take the lead in beginning to list these? > Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deklunking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to implement I will implement, just provide a very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we’ll form a NetBeans deklunking taskforce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 this has been my goal with the move to Apache, and > once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the other bits over plan to try to tackle much of it. I > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Deklunkification Taskforce"! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My biggest item I plan to look at is the indexing which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocks some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and impacts performance. It is really as far as I can tell > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main > > > > > > > > > > > > > > performance difference as it has impacts on the editor > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other UI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I much more prefer the integration of NB with the tools > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > versus rolling our own. The classpath and build > differences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bear sometimes when having differences between the two, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > builds or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > executions work in one side, but not the other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I find this a strength of NB, as I have helped team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years with such issues in other environments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will create a page in the Wiki later if nobody else > has; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right now I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get ready for CodeStock! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, > visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ > Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans. > incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]. > > > > > > > > > > apache.org > > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]. > apache.org > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
