> And like has already been said, it's fairly easy to change a remote host on
git...

GitHub isn't just a remote host. It's also basically:

* our code review tool for all commits (lots of comments on PRs which cannot be 
migrated).
* smoke test build server (via Travis)

I would agree to continue using GitHub *if* we demote it to a plain remote. But 
right now it's central to our 'workflow' through PRs.

This is something the ASF could fix by providing a separate code review tool, 
just like we have an issue tracker (JIRA) and wiki (Confluence). Since they are 
big on Atlassian we could try https://www.atlassian.com/software/crucible 
(which I didn't use before but looks OK).

--emi

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐

On 6 June 2018 2:45 AM, John McDonnell <[email protected]> wrote:

> Have to say I'm a little perplexed at all the negativity surrounding the
> 
> news on this.
> 
> I don't see the Microsoft under the Satya Nadella as comparable to
> 
> previous eras of the company. There's no way they'd buy GitHub and then
> 
> strip it down, or whatever some people are saying(there's some crazy ideas
> 
> out there), look at how their using it now. They are considered to be one
> 
> of the largest open source contributors on GitHub(3839 people in the MS
> 
> organisation on GitHub, and 1839 repos), why purchase this and then ruin
> 
> it? their staff are using it more than anyone right now
> 
> Yes, there will obviously be some MS tie-ins, be it Azure or Visual Studio
> 
> (Code), etc... But there could also be other changes, that maybe GitHub
> 
> could make previously, etc.. and not everyone will agree with all the
> 
> upcoming changes, specifically if there's an MS bias in them, but in
> 
> fairness, no change will ever suit everyone.
> 
> Let's see what they do first before judging them.
> 
> And like has already been said, it's fairly easy to change a remote host on
> 
> git...
> 
> John
> 
> On 5 June 2018 at 23:40, John Muczynski [email protected] wrote:
> 
> > Dear Martin,
> > 
> > I would like to respectfully disagree with two of your statements.
> > 
> > microsoft does not play by the rules.
> > 
> > Also, they have never been stopped due to their previous anti competitive
> > 
> > behavior. It is unlikely they would lose any legal case in any of the legal
> > 
> > systems when they shut down GitHub.
> > 
> > That's my take on it. I am feeling rather cynical.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > 
> > Johnny
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018, 9:18 AM Martin Weißhaupt <
> > 
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > > GitHub was already a proprietary platform. Microsoft is not stupid, they
> > > 
> > > want to get a part of the open source cake and closing GitHub or making
> > > 
> > > open source projects suffer would get them into trouble really fast. I'm
> > > 
> > > not a lawyer but I think that would qualify as anti competitive behaviour
> > > 
> > > which would get the EU or other institutions to intervent.
> > > 
> > > If they are playing by the rules there is nothing to worry about but
> > > 
> > > everyone should be observant about what Microsoft does with GitHub in the
> > > 
> > > future.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Martin
> > > 
> > > 2018-06-05 14:34 GMT+02:00 Kirk Pepperdine [email protected]:
> > > 
> > > > I say good for GitHub.. I don’t think MS will be a problem… At least
> > > > 
> > > > not
> > > 
> > > > right away. And if they are, it’s pretty easy to move to a new git
> > > > 
> > > > home.
> > > 
> > > > — Kirk
> > > > 
> > > > > On Jun 5, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Peter Cheung [email protected]
> > > > > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Codeplex, nokia, robotVM, all dead
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: Emilian Bold [email protected]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 4:15 PM
> > > > > 
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > 
> > > > > Subject: Microsoft buys GitHub
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm a bit worried about Microsoft steering the future of open-source
> > > > > 
> > > > > projects' online collaboration and tooling with their GitHub purchase:
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-
> > > > > 
> > > > > github-empowering-developers/
> > > > > 
> > > > > I wonder if there's anything we need to rethink in terms of our
> > > > > 
> > > > > project's dependence on GitHub PRs, etc.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --emi
> > 
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