> On 13 Aug 2018, at 06:27, Scott Palmer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Really? Wow. Okay, another option (still preferable to a .pkg IMO) is to
> simply distribute the application bundle in zipped form.
As mentioned the issue with this is it could not be installed by the user
globally, think of a university installing for all users. Someone would need to
go into the bin folder and drag a shortcut out.
> That has the advantage that you also don’t need a Mac to create it. In most
> cases Safari would automatically extract it and leave the application sitting
> in your Downloads folder.
You don’t need macOS, you just need a tool like xar and a manifest to build the
extensible archive.
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 12:19 AM, Tim Boudreau <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> This debate was had once about 14 years ago - and the decision to go with
>> .pkg installers on Mac OSX was made for this reason: There were a lot of
>> "NetBeans is unusably slow" reports on OSX.
>>
>> The reason? A LOT of users never unpacked the .app - they were running it
>> directly from the mounted, compressed .dmg image. It turns out that's not
>> that unusual.
>>
>> Random access Java classloading does not play nicely AT ALL with the
>> compression used for .dmg images.
>>
>> I strongly recommend not repeating that mistake.
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>> Only Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 1:44 AM Scott Palmer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The macOS “installer” should be nothing more than a disk image with the
>>> application bundle. It should not be a .pkg file that might require admin
>>> privileges as it would be a drag and drop install. The user should be able
>>> to drag the app bundle wherever they want.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Carl Mosca <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I work in a place where you need admin rights to install on Windows as
>>> well
>>>> but that's a policy.
>>>>
>>>> As far as the MacOS goes, it's based on BSD.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore if /Applications is owned by root:wheel (or something similar
>>>> that's not the current user), you need privileges to "su or sudo" in
>>> order
>>>> to complete the installation process. That is to say, the filesystem is
>>>> requiring the elevated access which in my opinion is a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> One could/should be able to install in his/her home directory and not
>>> need
>>>> such access and I have seen apps take that approach as well.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:57 PM Will Hartung <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Kenneth Fogel <
>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, an installer is nice but all it should do on the Windows platform
>>> is
>>>>>> unzip NetBeans in the folder of choice and add a shortcut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For some reason that I don't understand, and perhaps someone could
>>> explain,
>>>>> the installer for MacOS requires Administration privileges.
>>>>>
>>>>> Being that it, too, is essentially a "zip file" (it's an application
>>>>> bundle), I never really understood why it needs admin privs to install.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it's some Mac specific thing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carl J. Mosca
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