> On 14 Aug 2018, at 20:14, Geertjan Wielenga
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I created two YouTube clips during the past few hours that show the
> ZIP-based and Mac Installer-based approaches to installing Apache NetBeans:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-7aa2hYgc
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8gdC7BBtbs
>
> Each takes less than 5 minutes, comments welcome.
Nice Gj, this is great for power users, but NetBeans IDE has always targeted
non-power users, testing teams love it, DBA’s love it, web devs love it, as we
say; we’re not just targeting java devs.
In my workplace the competition is IntelliJ, mostly because scala is widely
used in BigData, and unfortunately we’re lacking in that space. If you take a
look at the IntelliJ installer it’s actually pretty slick, you install from
DMG, then you launch and it asks you what type of development you’re going to
do (java, scala, ...). Interesting to note is the same thing for python
(pyCharm) is a seperate product.
I’m not an advocate of IntelliJ, while it installs and looks slick it is IMHO
horrible.
I think we need to look at our competition.
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Neil C Smith <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 22:03, Will Hartung <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> A DMG file is, effectively, a Mountable ZIP file. The "typical" Mac
>>> Installation process is to open the DMG file, a window appears with the
>>> Application bundle and a link to the Applications directory, and a big
>>> arrow, essentially telling you to drag the App in to the Applications
>>> folder.
>>>
>>> That's a "mac install". That's a "friendly" mac install. Digging stuff
>> out
>>> of zip files is not as "mac friendly".
>>>
>>> Tim's point of moving to an Installer to essentially "force" folks to
>>> actually drag the app off of the DMG is interesting, and, honestly, not
>>> surprising.
>>
>> I'm glad you put "friendly" in quotation marks there! ;-) I
>> understand technically what's going on. I'm trying to work out why
>> anyone thinks that's user-friendly. By the time I read the need for
>> Tim's workaround there my palm is getting seriously close to my face.
>> Did you read the article I linked to earlier? I found that when
>> deciding which approach to use for my own app bundle. And, while it
>> might be less common, shipping app bundles in a zip is not completely
>> unknown and you'll find quite a few people advocating for it. Still,
>> the UI studies quoted from Firefox aside, they ship it in a DMG!
>>
>> i asked mainly because a zipped app bundle seems to be the easiest
>> option to create here, without the can-be-run-from-dmg downside. I'm
>> definitely happy sticking with zip for my own usage right now!
>> However, not going to say any more on this as it's not my main
>> platform. I would, mind you, love to ditch the installers on every
>> platform!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
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