On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 4:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > A lot of users of NetBeans are new to Java or new to programming > > altogether. > > > > And a lot of users of NetBeans aren't. Yes, but those users aren't harmed by a simple default workflow, while newbies are. -Tim > > Gj > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 9:53 PM Tim Boudreau <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There's a UI principle Joel Spolsky expounded years ago: Never force the > > user into a choice they don't care about. > > > > A lot of users of NetBeans are new to Java or new to programming > > altogether. They don't know what Ant, Maven or Gradle are, and won't > > understand what they are for a long time. > > > > We owe it to those users to stay out of their way until they actually are > > interested in choice of build tool and able to make an informed decision. > > > > +1 to making maven the default. > > > > -1 to surfacing a lot of build tool detail in the "just create a project > so > > I can get on with what I'm actually trying to do" workflow. > > > > -Tim > > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 8:54 AM Neil C Smith <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2018, 13:19 Anton Epple <[email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > I agree that additional/more complex changes, as discussed by Chris > and > > > > Geertjan, make sense in the longer term, but probably require further > > > > discussion. For now, this is a simple change (mostly branding) which > > > solves > > > > the basic issue. > > > > > > > > > > Well, a simpler way to what Geertjan suggested might be to make the > > > top-level folders Java Application, Java Web Application, etc. and have > > > Maven, Ant, etc. inside them? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://timboudreau.com > > > -- http://timboudreau.com
