I am going to email INFRA tonight or tomorrow about setting up the external build. Once thats done, we can make the initial commit that will establish the directory structure. Then we'll have to update the nifi build to commit the guides/documentation/javadocs to their respective locations when releasing. This will allow us to keep the two builds separate which I believe is a good thing.
I am certainly open to other thoughts/suggestions however. Matt On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Daniel Bress <[email protected]> wrote: > Matt, > How do you see things that are generated during the application build > getting tied in here? I'm talking about the asciidoc guides, and > eventually the Processor/ControllerService/Reporting task documentation, > and javadoc. > > Dan Bress > Software Engineer > ONYX Consulting Services > > ________________________________________ > From: Matt Gilman <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 6:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Website Theme > > Joe, > > Edit the files in Git [1]. The pages are separated according to their mark > up. After building everything ends up flatten. We can certainly change that > in time if necessary. > > Tony, > > NIFI-162 [2] > > [1] > https://github.com/apache/incubator-nifi/tree/develop/nifi-site/src/pages > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NIFI-162 > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Tony Kurc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > should I make a ticket for documenting maintaining the website? I > couldn't > > find one. > > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Joe Witt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Matt > > > > > > What can I do now to help with maintaining v2 stuff? Do I edit the > > > files in Git or the files in SVN? Don't want to mess with it yet > > > because I don't understand it. But if you can give me a few pointers > > > I can help. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Joe > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Matt Gilman <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > I have an idea of how its going to work. However, once we reach out > to > > > > infrastructure regarding the external build (if necessary) we'll know > > for > > > > sure [1]. After that discussion I will update nifi-site in our Git > repo > > > > accordingly. It says that the mailing list is infrastructure@, does > > that > > > > mean [email protected]? > > > > > > > > Mark had an idea about an updated screenshot but higher priority > things > > > > have popped up. The image can be updated whenever its ready [2]. > > > > > > > > If you have any other ideas for media we should incorporate (other > > > > screenshots, FAQs, videos, etc) let me know. > > > > > > > > [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html#external > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-nifi/blob/develop/nifi-site/src/images/flow.png > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Joe Witt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Matt > > > >> > > > >> It looks good. Before we switch we should get the mechanics of > update > > > >> documented. Do you know that or is it TBD? > > > >> > > > >> Also do you need assistance with updating the screenshot? > > > >> > > > >> Joe > > > >> On Feb 8, 2015 4:45 AM, "Matt Gilman" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Barring any objections, I'd like to more forward with the updated > > > website > > > >> > [1]. I've kept up with the changes with the exception of those > from > > > the > > > >> > last few days. Assuming everyone is on board I will reach out to > > INFRA > > > >> > about the possibilities for the website build. Based on that > > > >> conservation I > > > >> > will update the nifi-site in our Git repo [2] accordingly. I am > > > assuming > > > >> > that we'll be doing an external build and part of that build will > be > > > >> > deploying the site using SVN. > > > >> > > > > >> > [1] https://nifi.incubator.apache.org/v2/ > > > >> > [2] > https://github.com/apache/incubator-nifi/tree/develop/nifi-site > > > >> > > > > >> > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Jennifer Barnabee < > > > >> > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > I think that's perfect! > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Joe Witt <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Hello > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Made some of these suggested edits/simplifications to the > > current > > > >> site. > > > >> > > > New tagline > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > "Apache NiFi is an easy to use, powerful, and reliable system > to > > > >> > process > > > >> > > > and distribute data." > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Also removed the jumbotron block as it was causing some really > > > >> strange > > > >> > > text > > > >> > > > sizing issues. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Jenn - does this seem more like what you were thinking? > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks > > > >> > > > Joe > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Matt Gilman < > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Aldrin, > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > What you've outline is exactly what I am looking to > > accomplish, > > > I'm > > > >> > > just > > > >> > > > > trying to figure out all the pieces. I think I have a handle > > on > > > >> > > > everything > > > >> > > > > except actual publishing of the site. Though I believe the > > email > > > >> you > > > >> > > sent > > > >> > > > > out earlier indicates that we just need to discuss the > matter > > > >> further > > > >> > > > with > > > >> > > > > infrastructure@ mailing list. I tried committing a change > > > (outside > > > >> > of > > > >> > > > CMS) > > > >> > > > > to the staging repository hoping it would kick off the > > > publishing. > > > >> It > > > >> > > did > > > >> > > > > not. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I have prototyped the site artifacts which can be built into > > the > > > >> > static > > > >> > > > > site. I still need to copy over the existing content but I'm > > > trying > > > >> > to > > > >> > > > > figure out where this is going to live first. Barring any > > > >> objections > > > >> > I > > > >> > > am > > > >> > > > > going to create (likely tomorrow) a nifi-site directory at > the > > > root > > > >> > of > > > >> > > > our > > > >> > > > > Git repository and go from there. Currently everything is > > living > > > >> in a > > > >> > > > > repository that I forked from the work that Aldrin had > > started. > > > >> > > Anyways, > > > >> > > > I > > > >> > > > > believe moving it to the project Git repository puts the > site > > > in a > > > >> > more > > > >> > > > > accessible place where others can contribute as necessary. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > As I mentioned to Dan earlier, I am hoping that we can > > utilize a > > > >> > maven > > > >> > > > > plugin [1] to deploy the relevant documentation (processor, > > > guides, > > > >> > > > > javadocs) from the application build to a predefined > location. > > > The > > > >> > site > > > >> > > > > would just reference it from there. This would keep the site > > and > > > >> > > > > application builds independent which I think is desirable. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > [1] > http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-scm-publish-plugin/ > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Aldrin Piri < > > > >> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > All the comments have been good but are a bit beyond where > > the > > > >> > > current > > > >> > > > > > platform for them needs to be. Additionally, with a site > > more > > > >> > > > accessible > > > >> > > > > > and live, changes can be made via contributions. Trying to > > > route > > > >> > > things > > > >> > > > > > back on topic a bit as there are external dependencies on > > some > > > >> > > > > "finalized" > > > >> > > > > > state of the site, I did some research into how other > > projects > > > >> are > > > >> > > > > > accomplishing this based off of Matt's notes. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Matt, looking at jclouds, it appears as though they also > use > > > the > > > >> > ASF > > > >> > > > > > infrastructure to manage their site, but perform a build > > > through > > > >> a > > > >> > > > script > > > >> > > > > > [1], invoking Jekyll to generate the static pages pushed > to > > > the > > > >> > infra > > > >> > > > > SVN; > > > >> > > > > > it is a home-brewed git+svn of sorts, but the overall > > concept > > > >> makes > > > >> > > > > sense. > > > >> > > > > > Given the technologies you listed, this seems like a fair > > > >> approach > > > >> > to > > > >> > > > > > utilize the build tools right for the job while > > simultaneously > > > >> not > > > >> > > > > > requiring a special setup as outlined in the Apache CMS > > > >> information > > > >> > > > [2], > > > >> > > > > > the community can freely pick the technologies they wish > > with > > > the > > > >> > > > notion > > > >> > > > > > that the interface between site code and the actual view > is > > > >> static > > > >> > > html > > > >> > > > > > committed to the Infra SVN repo. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The one area that I think is important to address though > is > > > the > > > >> > > > > > incorporation of the material being generated in the git > > > >> repository > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > > > as > > > >> > > > > > a product of the build process. Quickly brainstorming a > way > > > to > > > >> > > attack > > > >> > > > > this > > > >> > > > > > would be: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1. provide a top level folder in the NiFi git repository, > > > 'site' > > > >> > > > (Matt > > > >> > > > > > posed this as a possibility to which no one had any > > > objections, > > > >> so > > > >> > it > > > >> > > > > seems > > > >> > > > > > like a reasonable path forward) > > > >> > > > > > 2. provide a script that compiles the site, making use of > > the > > > >> > > desired > > > >> > > > > > tools assuming the structure of the site > > > >> > > > > > 3. provide orchestration of the core codebase and the > site > > > >> > > > > > a. through Maven and possibly the exec or similar > plugin, > > > >> > profile, > > > >> > > > or > > > >> > > > > > other avenue, build the codebase needed (mvn -pl -am may > do > > > the > > > >> > job) > > > >> > > > > > b. call the script to generate the static structure of > > the > > > >> site > > > >> > > > which > > > >> > > > > > has a build target that is a copy of the svn checkout to > > make > > > use > > > >> > of > > > >> > > > the > > > >> > > > > > diff (maybe there is a way to use git+svn to make this > work > > > in a > > > >> > less > > > >> > > > > > cumbersome manner) > > > >> > > > > > 4. commit to infra subversion > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The code for the site is easily accessible and allows > > > submission > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > patches > > > >> > > > > > via git while using the tools that make sense for > > > accomplishing > > > >> > what > > > >> > > is > > > >> > > > > > needed; Subversion just becomes the means for content > > > delivery. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > There are certainly a number of details to iron out with > the > > > >> above > > > >> > > > plan. > > > >> > > > > > The biggest item is taking the disparate formats > (asciidoc, > > > >> > processor > > > >> > > > > > documentation) and condensing them into the HTML/CSS > > template > > > set > > > >> > > > forth, > > > >> > > > > > but both have provisions for specifying CSS, so it is > > > certainly > > > >> > > doable. > > > >> > > > > > The above method allows for the avoidance of committing > > > generated > > > >> > > files > > > >> > > > > to > > > >> > > > > > the core codebase (obviously, all generated files compose > > the > > > SVN > > > >> > > > site), > > > >> > > > > > and allows for a direct correlation between documentation > > and > > > a > > > >> > given > > > >> > > > > > commit while simultaneously not binding the site > explicitly > > to > > > >> SVN > > > >> > or > > > >> > > > ASF > > > >> > > > > > CMS. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > One item that seems problematic with the above plan is > that > > it > > > >> > would > > > >> > > > > remove > > > >> > > > > > the ease of submitting a patch via the provided > bookmarklet > > > that > > > >> > > works > > > >> > > > > with > > > >> > > > > > the CMS. This becomes a manual process to find the source > > > >> content > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > > > > apply the patch to it in Git. Although to some extent, > this > > > is > > > >> > > already > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > > case given the use of Asciidoc and the Processor > > > documentation. > > > >> > Not > > > >> > > > sure > > > >> > > > > > if it is a deal breaker or not, but it is a point of > > > >> consideration. > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > [1] > > > >> > > > > https://github.com/jclouds/jclouds-site/blob/master/deploy-site.sh > > > >> > > > > > [2] http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html#external > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Jennifer Barnabee < > > > >> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > You guys are totally right. Ok, as a starting point, > what > > > >> about > > > >> > > this > > > >> > > > > or > > > >> > > > > > > something like this? > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Apache NiFi is a highly configurable and intuitive > > dataflow > > > >> > > > management > > > >> > > > > > > system. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -Jenn > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Donald Miner < > > > >> > > > [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Same here, never heard of fbp. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I like the Accumulo blurb on the front page a lot: > > > >> > > > > > > > The Apache Accumulo™ sorted, distributed key/value > store > > > is a > > > >> > > > robust, > > > >> > > > > > > > scalable, high performance data storage and retrieval > > > system. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (I think i based my suggestion on this). It just gets > to > > > the > > > >> > > point > > > >> > > > > and > > > >> > > > > > as > > > >> > > > > > > > a technologist that has a clue or two I know what it > is > > > >> trying > > > >> > to > > > >> > > > do. > > > >> > > > > > > > Another example Kafka: "A high-throughput distributed > > > >> messaging > > > >> > > > > > system. " > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Jan 29, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Joey Echeverria < > > > >> > [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Just to clarify, I wasn't advocating that it should > be > > > >> > removed > > > >> > > > (I'm > > > >> > > > > > not > > > >> > > > > > > > > really advocating for anything). My point was meant > to > > > >> > > illustrate > > > >> > > > > > that > > > >> > > > > > > > it's > > > >> > > > > > > > > not a draw, but it is potentially an educational > > > reference. > > > >> > So, > > > >> > > > it > > > >> > > > > > > > depends > > > >> > > > > > > > > on how you want to use the real-estate in the tag > > line. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu Jan 29 2015 at 11:19:38 AM Joe Witt < > > > >> > [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> We can get rid of the FBP reference. I'll just be > > the > > > >> > excited > > > >> > > > > tech > > > >> > > > > > > guy > > > >> > > > > > > > in > > > >> > > > > > > > >> the corner of the conference that keeps talking > about > > > it. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> On Jan 29, 2015 1:00 PM, "Joey Echeverria" < > > > >> > > [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> I understand that flow-based programming is very > > > >> important > > > >> > as > > > >> > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > model > > > >> > > > > > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> NiFi, but I don't think it's a widely understood > > term. > > > >> > FWIW, > > > >> > > I > > > >> > > > > > hadn't > > > >> > > > > > > > >> heard > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> of it until I started working with NiFi. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> On Thu Jan 29 2015 at 9:56:10 AM Jennifer > Barnabee < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Hi Donald, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> I like your tagline sentence for the most part. > > > Thanks > > > >> so > > > >> > > much > > > >> > > > > for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> sending > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> it. Maybe it can get us to where we want to be... > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> I have these thoughts to add... > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> a) I think we want to honor that flow-based > > > programming > > > >> is > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > > > basis > > > >> > > > > > > > of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> software. So, that's important, and I think > that's > > > why > > > >> it > > > >> > > went > > > >> > > > > > into > > > >> > > > > > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> tagline. But I'm not sure whether it has to be > > > >> > specifically > > > >> > > > > there. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Someone > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> else can weigh in on that. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> b) My only problem with your tagline is the last > > > part: > > > >> > > > > "transform > > > >> > > > > > > and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> move > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> files". One thing is - we don't want to limit > NiFi > > to > > > >> > being > > > >> > > > only > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> file-based. Secondly, moving and transforming > data > > is > > > >> not > > > >> > > all > > > >> > > > > that > > > >> > > > > > > > NiFi > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> does. In truth, NiFi is not just a dataflow > system. > > > >> It's a > > > >> > > > > > dataflow > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> management system. And that encompasses > everything > > > about > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > > > dataflow, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> from > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> how the data moves and/or gets transformed and > > > routed, > > > >> to > > > >> > > how > > > >> > > > > you > > > >> > > > > > > > >> monitor > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> that, how you track down the data, how you > > configure > > > and > > > >> > > > design > > > >> > > > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> dataflow to be better, etc. The moving and > > > transforming > > > >> > > parts > > > >> > > > > are > > > >> > > > > > > > just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> some of the extension points. It's the framework > > that > > > >> > allows > > > >> > > > you > > > >> > > > > > to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> manage > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> *whatever* you do with the data. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> So, now that I've rambled on, it's clear that I > > can't > > > >> come > > > >> > > up > > > >> > > > > with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> something concise. I think I may be too close to > > > >> > everything > > > >> > > > :-) > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> But I think you are on the right track! I would > be > > > happy > > > >> > to > > > >> > > > know > > > >> > > > > > > what > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> others think. It would be great if people could > > land > > > on > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > page > > > >> > > > > > and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> quickly understand what NiFi is. So far, your > > > sentence > > > >> > would > > > >> > > > get > > > >> > > > > > > > people > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> closer to that than anything I have proposed. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Cheers, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Jenn > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Donald Miner < > > > >> > > > > > > [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> On the subject of taglines, a minor nitpick > > (sorry). > > > >> I'm > > > >> > > > just a > > > >> > > > > > fan > > > >> > > > > > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> concise and meaningful taglines. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> "is a dataflow system based on the concepts of > > > >> flow-based > > > >> > > > > > > > >> programming. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> It > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> is currently a part of the Apache Incubator." is > > > rather > > > >> > > > wordy. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> "flow" and "based" are in this sentence twice, > > which > > > >> > makes > > > >> > > it > > > >> > > > > > kind > > > >> > > > > > > of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> awkward. Does flow-based programming really > matter > > > >> enough > > > >> > > to > > > >> > > > be > > > >> > > > > > > part > > > >> > > > > > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> tagline? Maybe it should just be a bullet point > > > below. > > > >> > Same > > > >> > > > > with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> incubator > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> status... I think that's readily available > > > information > > > >> > that > > > >> > > > > > doesn't > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> necessarily need to be in the tagline (and would > > > >> > eventually > > > >> > > > > > > change). > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Here's my stab: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> "The Apache NiFi dataflow system is an easy to > > use, > > > >> > highly > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> configurable, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> extendable, and reliable way to transform and > move > > > >> > files." > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> I think the list of properties in the middle of > my > > > >> > sentence > > > >> > > > > could > > > >> > > > > > > be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> replaced by someone who has a better idea of > what > > > the > > > >> > true > > > >> > > > > > sticking > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> points > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> for NiFi will be. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> -d > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Joe Witt < > > > >> > > > [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Jenn > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Apologies for the delayed feedback. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I agree it could be more concise but feel like > > the > > > >> > > proposed > > > >> > > > is > > > >> > > > > > too > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> concise > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to as have lost some important meaning. Many > > > projects > > > >> > > claim > > > >> > > > > > > > >> they're > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> lightweight, scalable, and easy to use and > almost > > > >> always > > > >> > > > that > > > >> > > > > > just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> isn't > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> true. We're arguably not 'lightweight' > anymore. > > > We > > > >> > could > > > >> > > > > have > > > >> > > > > > > > >> said > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> when it was a 6 MB download perhaps but now > that > > > we're > > > >> > > > > weighing > > > >> > > > > > in > > > >> > > > > > > > >> at > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 100MB's we probably shouldn't claim that on its > > > own. > > > >> > > We're > > > >> > > > > > > > >> certainly > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> 'lightweight' in many important aspects and > > > arguably > > > >> in > > > >> > > all > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >> ways > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> truly matter but we should be at least somewhat > > > >> > > specific. I > > > >> > > > > > agree > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> we're > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> scalable but again without context that feels > > > >> > > misleading. I > > > >> > > > > > agree > > > >> > > > > > > > >> we > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> have > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> an extremely nice UI that is indeed highly > > > >> configurable > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > > > > > > >> intuitive > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the same thoughts apply which is we should > > provide > > > >> some > > > >> > > > > context > > > >> > > > > > as > > > >> > > > > > > > >> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> what > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> we mean. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> This is the nice part of this as an open source > > > thing. > > > >> > We > > > >> > > > can > > > >> > > > > > > just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> straight up and precise about the features and > > what > > > >> > > they're > > > >> > > > > good > > > >> > > > > > > > >> for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> what they do. We can even be self deprecating > > and > > > >> point > > > >> > > out > > > >> > > > > > what > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> we're > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> not > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> good at. If it were a commercial construct or > we > > > were > > > >> > > > > marketing > > > >> > > > > > > > >> then > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> we > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> might need to be less specific so as not to > > exclude > > > >> some > > > >> > > > > > potential > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> business > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> area. But in this case, we're a tiny little > open > > > >> source > > > >> > > > > project > > > >> > > > > > > > >> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> very > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> few people know about. We're only going to > grow > > by > > > >> > being > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> straightforward > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> about what it is and attracting those who buy > in > > to > > > >> that > > > >> > > > > vision > > > >> > > > > > > and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> direction. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Just thoughts here - i am not asking you to > avoid > > > >> > changing > > > >> > > > it > > > >> > > > > > > > >> should > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> you > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> feel really strongly that you want to change > it. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Thanks > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Joe > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:04 AM, Jennifer > > Barnabee > > > < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi Matt et al - > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> The new website design is looking great... I > > feel > > > >> like > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > > > text > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> needs > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> be simpler and more to the point. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> For the tagline under the first Apache nifi > > > heading, > > > >> I > > > >> > > > > suggest > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> making > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> bullet rather than including the verb "is". > I'd > > > also > > > >> > like > > > >> > > > to > > > >> > > > > > make > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> features into simpler bullets. See my > suggested > > > text > > > >> > > > below. I > > > >> > > > > > > > >> hope > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> still > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> captures the essence of what we want to > convey, > > > but > > > >> > > others > > > >> > > > > may > > > >> > > > > > > > >> have > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> good > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> suggestions as well... For example, in the > last > > > >> > bullet, > > > >> > > I > > > >> > > > > > don't > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> know > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> if > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> "client" would be better than "user" or if > > > >> > > "authentication" > > > >> > > > > > would > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> better > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> than "authorization". You guys probably have a > > > better > > > >> > > > handle > > > >> > > > > on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> type > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> of stuff. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> *Apache nifi * > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - A dataflow system based on the concepts of > > > >> flow-based > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> programming. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> It > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> currently a part of the Apache Incubator. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Apache NiFi supports powerful and scalable > > > directed > > > >> > > graphs > > > >> > > > of > > > >> > > > > > > > >> data > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> routing, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> transformation, and system mediation logic. > > > >> High-level > > > >> > > > > features > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> include: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Lightweight > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Scalable > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Highly Configurable > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Intuitive User Interface > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Component-based Extension Model > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Fine Grained Data Provenance > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Enterprise & Inter-system Security > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Content Encryption/Decryption > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - Pluggable SSL & PKI User Authorization > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> *I kinda don't like that you have to scroll > down > > > to > > > >> see > > > >> > > all > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> features. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> But I realize it wouldn't bother me if I was > > > looking > > > >> at > > > >> > > it > > > >> > > > on > > > >> > > > > > my > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> phone, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> so > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I don't know why I'm complaining about > that... * > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Cheers, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Jenn > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Matt Gilman > < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I went ahead and started implementing the > > website > > > >> > based > > > >> > > on > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> most > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> recent > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> feedback and mock ups. I've done just the > main > > > page > > > >> > and > > > >> > > > put > > > >> > > > > it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> here: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> http://nifi.incubator.apache.org/v2/ > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Please let me know if there's a more > > appropriate > > > >> place > > > >> > > to > > > >> > > > > host > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> that. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Anyways, I am going to continue working to > port > > > over > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> remaining > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> pages > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and figure out a good way to integrate the > > > >> > documentation > > > >> > > > > that > > > >> > > > > > > > >> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> generated > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> from building NiFi. Part of that is likely > > going > > > to > > > >> > > depend > > > >> > > > > on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> what > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> repository the site is kept in. What I've > done > > > uses > > > >> a > > > >> > > > number > > > >> > > > > > of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> tools > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> (grunt, assemble, bower, etc) to actually > build > > > the > > > >> > > site. > > > >> > > > I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> believe > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Apache CMS tool will be CMing the resulting > > site. > > > >> > Where > > > >> > > do > > > >> > > > > > > > >> others > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> CM > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> actual development artifacts of their sites? > I > > > did > > > >> > find > > > >> > > > > > another > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Apache > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> project with a similar set up: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/jclouds/jclouds-site > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> and they appear to have a separate repository > > for > > > >> > there > > > >> > > > > site. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Should > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> requesting another repository for this? Or > > > should I > > > >> > just > > > >> > > > add > > > >> > > > > > it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> existing incubator-nifi and have a top level > > > folder > > > >> > for > > > >> > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >> site? > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Also, I also noticed that jclouds has a > > > deployment > > > >> > > script > > > >> > > > > > which > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> appears > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> automate that process as well. Is this how > most > > > >> > projects > > > >> > > > > > handle > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> site > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> updates? > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Matt > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Aldrin Piri > < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Seems like a fair list of points to resolve. > > > Let > > > >> me > > > >> > > know > > > >> > > > > how > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> you > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> want > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to tackle it and if you'd like me to > > investigate > > > >> any > > > >> > of > > > >> > > > > them. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> AsciiDoc provides an HTML5 backend [1] that > > > should > > > >> > > > provide > > > >> > > > > a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> hook > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> help it be consistent in some form with the > > > rest of > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > site. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/asciidoc.css-embedded.html#X35 > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Matt > Gilman < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Agreed. Lets see give it a try and see how > it > > > >> > looks. I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> thought > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> about > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> possibly just putting the drop in the > toolbar > > > but > > > >> > held > > > >> > > > off > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> initially > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your comment about being consistently > visible > > > >> across > > > >> > > all > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> pages > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> point. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This brings up another issue that the > current > > > >> > > > > documentation > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> loads > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> page > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> without the toolbar so that'll have to be > > > >> addressed. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Haven't > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> messed > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> bootstrap so I'll have to see what's > > possible. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Outstanding issues... > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Better integrate documentation pages into > > > >> website > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Get updated images (and properly scale > > them) > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Update website markup for production use > > > (what I > > > >> > did > > > >> > > > was > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> quick > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> for the mockup so we continue this > > discussion) > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Anything else I'm forgetting? > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Aldrin > > Piri < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Matt, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Looks good here. I think clean and simple > > is > > > the > > > >> > > right > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> direction > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> is just another step in that evolution. I > > > think > > > >> it > > > >> > > is a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> matter > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> nit-picking at this point so the following > > > >> comments > > > >> > > > come > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> scope of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> importance. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to see the logo make it > > > somewhere on > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > page > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> consistently > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the sake of keeping it across all pages in > > the > > > >> > > site. I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> realize > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> logo in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the navbar is rather redundant for the > home > > > page, > > > >> > but > > > >> > > > on > > > >> > > > > > > > >> all > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> other > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> pages such as documentation and general > > > project > > > >> > > > > > > > >> information, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> there > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> will > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no presence in the current state. One way > > to > > > >> > > > compromise > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> might > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> make > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> use of the commonplace technique where the > > > logo > > > >> on > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >> main > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> content > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> area > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> gets placed into the navbar when scrolling > > > would > > > >> > > > obscure > > > >> > > > > > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> logo; > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> all > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> other pages would then just have it in the > > > >> header. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe a slightly heavier weight on the > > navbar > > > for > > > >> > the > > > >> > > > > menu > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> items. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 22:51 Matt Gilman > < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Aldrin, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I like what you did here and it sounds > like > > > most > > > >> > > > people > > > >> > > > > > > > >> do > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> too. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wanted > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> provide some feedback and minor > suggestions > > > but > > > >> > > > thought > > > >> > > > > > > > >> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> would > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> easier to mock it up myself rather than > > > trying > > > >> to > > > >> > > ask > > > >> > > > > > > > >> you > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> move > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> here > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> and that there. Anyways, take a peek and > > lets > > > >> > > continue > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> iterating. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> think > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> we're on the right track. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://raw.githubusercontent. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> com/mcgilman/apache-nifi-site/ > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> screenshots/index.html.lite.v1.2.png > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Matt > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Joe > Witt > > < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No real thought behind it. But I > > personally > > > >> > agree > > > >> > > > > > > > >> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> your > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> statement: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the logos look good as "nifi" and the > text > > > >> looks > > > >> > > good > > > >> > > > > > > > >> as > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> "NiFi" > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Daniel > > > Bress > > > >> < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aldrin, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this looks good. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> All, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe this is a little off topic, > but I > > > >> > noticed > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> logos > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistently use "nifi" whereas in text > > its > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> consistently > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> written > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "NiFi". Any reason for the difference? > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I kind of thing the logos look good > as > > > >> "nifi" > > > >> > > and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> text > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> looks > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> good > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as "NiFi" so I might be questioning > > > something > > > >> > > that I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> am > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> OK > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> with. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> But I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticed they are different and was > > > wondering > > > >> if > > > >> > > this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> was a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> conscious > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision or not. Thoughts? > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan Bress > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Software Engineer > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ONYX Consulting Services > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > ________________________________________ > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Witt <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 6:40 PM > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Website Theme > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solid design and agree with all your > > > comments > > > >> > > > > > > > >> aldrin. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Very > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> nice > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2015 6:27 PM, "Aldrin Piri" > < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the comments. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I actuality tried it without the logo > on > > > the > > > >> > main > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> page > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> felt > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit empty. I don't know that we > > > necessarily > > > >> > need > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> logo > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> there, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is needed. Additionally, I > > > viewed > > > >> it > > > >> > > as > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> being > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "front > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page" inclusion, as other pages would > > just > > > >> have > > > >> > > > > > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> top > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> navbar. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You caught me. I was lazy and I > > recycled > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> screenshot > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> from > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first iteration. It would definitely > > need > > > >> > > > > > > > >> updating, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> largely > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a placeholder for the concept. I > > > would > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> definitely > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> like > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> something > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit more engaging. (faux edit) I > > > >> rearranged > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> things > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> bit, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> removing > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the second instance of the logo and > > > placing > > > >> > more > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> emphasis > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> one > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the corner of the application. Not > > > sure > > > >> if > > > >> > I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> like > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> better, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've provided the results [1] with all > > > three > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> submissions > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> shown > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in chronological order [2]. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The news section is a toss-up for me > at > > > this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> juncture. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> could > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> see > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the need one for eventually, but I'm > not > > > sure > > > >> > if > > > >> > > > > > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> project > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> quite > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there yet. It seemed a common thread > > > among > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> incubating > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> sites > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> such > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a section was omitted whereas those > > > top-level > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> projects > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> typically > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included one. Given that the project > is > > > on > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> verge > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> first > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the regular releases, perhaps this is > > > >> > > increasingly > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> pertinent > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> near future. At minimum, one of the > > > screen > > > >> > grabs > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> from > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> your > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> blog > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> posts > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a good candidate. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/scr > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> eenshots/index.html.lite.v1.1.png > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > https://github.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/blob/screenshots/README.md > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Mark > > > Payne > > > >> < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aldrin, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm liking it! Definitely looks nice. > > > >> Though I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> would > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> provide a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bit > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure that I would include the > > > NiFi > > > >> > logo > > > >> > > > > > > > >> on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right-hand > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> side, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since it's already in the top-left. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a NiFi 'brand' perspective, I > > would > > > >> > update > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> screenshot a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> bit. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This screenshot is using the old logo > in > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> top-left > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> corner, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> graph > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows all of the data disappearing > > before > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> RouteOnAttribute > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Processor. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend we construct a dataflow > > > that's > > > >> > more > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> appealing > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> target > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audience, perhaps integrating with > other > > > >> Apache > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> projects > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> (HDFS, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Kafka > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible, for instance) or using > (S)FTP > > > >> > > processor. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does it make sense to have maybe > like a > > > >> > 'Latest > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> News' > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> section > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> or > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something where we could post things > > like > > > >> > > "Version > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> 0.0.1 > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> released!" > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.? > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm really liking the concept - nice > > job! > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks-Mark > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 07:00:52 > -0800 > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Website Theme > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like it. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:50 PM, > > Aldrin > > > >> Piri > > > >> > < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found some time today to provide > > > another > > > >> > > > > > > > >> look > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> site. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were very minor changes to the core > > > HTML > > > >> as > > > >> > > > > > > > >> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> currently > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> served > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> at > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nidi homepage and it is largely > just > > a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> stylesheet. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> This > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> one > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> highly > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal and clean, still driven by > > > >> Bootstrap > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> directly > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> makes > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> use > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the colors from the UI itself. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A screenshot can be seen at > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/scr > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> eenshots/index.html.lite.png > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the associated code under the > > > "lite" > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> branch > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> at > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > https://github.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site/tree/lite > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts are appreciated. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:54 PM, > > Aldrin > > > >> Piri > > > >> > < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry if this somehow gets sent > > twice. > > > >> My > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> first > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> submission > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bounce as it exceeded the spam > > > threshold > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> when I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> sent > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> it a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> couple > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hours ago and it has yet to > appear, > > so > > > >> I'm > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> sending > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> again. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First and foremost, good feedback. > > I > > > >> think > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> UI/UX > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> stuff > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am happy to find my livelihood > in > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> plumbing > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> behind > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scenes > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's my attempt to try and > tackle > > > all > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> comments > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> one > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> fell > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> swoop: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that Bootstrap is > > everywhere, > > > >> but I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> don't > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> necessarily > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is a bad thing. One could > > argue > > > >> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> interfaces > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> all > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> forms > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converging and users have the > > instant > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> familiarity > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> known > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quantity. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that I am totally unaware > of > > > what > > > >> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> takes > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> make a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> site > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional and maintain its feel > > > across > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> devices. I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> think > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> last > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part is important. Personally, > as a > > > user > > > >> > > > > > > > >> on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> other > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> side > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen, I don't really understand > > why > > > >> sites > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> do > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> not > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> work > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> or > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> jive > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mobile device du jour these > days; > > > it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> should > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> work. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> With > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little I've learned about UX and > > "Not > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Making > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> [Anyone] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Think,"[1] I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want an effortless experience; no > > > pinch > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> zooming, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> tap > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> panning, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is a way to take bits and > > > pieces of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> bootstrap > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> end > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support that aspect without the > > cookie > > > >> > > > > > > > >> cutter > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> air, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thankful for some guidance on that > > > front > > > >> > > > > > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> do > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> my > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> best > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> provide > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of the box though, the sample > > > looked > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> pretty > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> decent > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> across > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> all > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices to which I had access, and > > > used > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> constructs > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> everyone > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> who > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> views > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content through a tiny screen is > > > >> > > > > > > > >> accustomed. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do agree on the front of the > > > >> possibility > > > >> > > > > > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> brand > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> dilution, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it is an excellent point for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> consideration. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> As > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original mailing, consideration > was > > > given > > > >> > > > > > > > >> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> integrating > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application's aesthetics into the > > core > > > >> > > > > > > > >> site. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Not > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> sure > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> if > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pan out in an appreciable way as I > > can > > > >> see > > > >> > > > > > > > >> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> my > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> mind, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> do > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel it is an avenue worth > > > exploring. It > > > >> > > > > > > > >> may > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> also > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> completely > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> miss > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark, but with my new found web > dev > > > >> > > > > > > > >> prowess, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> should > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> be a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> much > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quicker iteration than the first > > > draft. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> You'll > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> see a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> slight > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> homage > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this via the graph wallpaper that > is > > > >> > > > > > > > >> featured > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> application > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. This was muted a bit by a > > CSS > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> overlay > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> to a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> level > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay, but I definitely hedged as > to > > > >> whether > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> or > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> not > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> include > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately, I wanted to get > > something > > > out > > > >> > > > > > > > >> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> start > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> ball > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rolling, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> establishing a base for successive > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> iterations. I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> know > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hard work everyone is putting > > in, > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> project > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> closely > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaching > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its first milestone for release, > and > > > >> > > > > > > > >> thought > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chip > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where possible to give a face to > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >> project. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, I think this > > particular > > > >> > > > > > > > >> project > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> needs > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> pictures > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrate what it's > capabilities. > > > One > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> facets > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> makes > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believer about NiFi as a whole is > > that > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> end > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> user > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> not > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers. Citing the previous > > > example > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Accumulo, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> its > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> intended > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audience is very technical in > nature > > > and, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> accordingly, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> lot > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> can > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed via the simple phrase of > > > >> > > > > > > > >> "key-value > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> store." > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> would > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contend > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that NiFi's reach is far broader > and > > > >> can't > > > >> > > > > > > > >> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> done > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> justice > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple phrase. For the casual > > > potential > > > >> > > > > > > > >> user > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> who > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> has > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strung > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n-many processes of taking a file, > > > >> manually > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> transforming > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> it, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving it elsewhere, they need to > > see > > > at > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> quick > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> glance > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that can automate this > > > tedium > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> make > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> them > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> more > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effective. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Succinctly, the value proposition > > > needs > > > >> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> there > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> not > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> only > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical folks who will use this > > as a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> framework, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> additionally > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end users. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The background for the header > isn't > > > >> > > > > > > > >> awesome, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> knew I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violating any licenses if I > > generated > > > it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> myself. I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> viewed > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> more > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a placeholder than anything else. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Definitely > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> not a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> front > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> end > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> web > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developer, even more definitively > > not > > > a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> graphic > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> artist. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> The > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> colors > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> came from starting with the logo > > dark > > > >> blue > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> running > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> whole > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunch > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of filters and plugins via GIMP to > > get > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> something. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a CSS gradient applied over top > > of > > > it > > > >> as > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> well > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> when > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> seemed > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too loud. It could definitely > deal > > > with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> being > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> muted > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> bit > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> more. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > http://www.sensible.com/dmmt.html > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:57 PM, > > Tony > > > >> Kurc > > > >> > > > > > > > >> < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey! It looks awesome! The > existing > > > site > > > >> > > > > > > > >> was > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> put > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> together a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> placeholder > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we went with a very generic > layout > > > that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> worked > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> well > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Apache > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CMS and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contained all the information > > > expected > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >> an > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> apache > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> process. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a big improvement! For > > people > > > >> new > > > >> > > > > > > > >> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> project, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upfront screenshot, with big fat > > > links > > > >> for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> things > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> care > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> about > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing! > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some things I didn't like about > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >> existing > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> site > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> are > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> glyphicon > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to "external" sites on the menu. > I > > > used > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> "link", > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> think > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used for "permalink". Also, we > > > kind > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> took a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> best > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> guess > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> about > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should go in each dropdown in the > > > menu. > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I'm > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> pretty > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> sure > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> could > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organized. I'd also like to see > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >> awesome > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> guides > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> people > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistent theme with the website > > and > > > >> > > > > > > > >> maybe > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> have > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> pdfs > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> so > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> old-school > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can print them out (which may be > a > > > dumb > > > >> > > > > > > > >> idea > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> ;) > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> ) > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> A > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> pet > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> peeve > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects is having a hard time > > > finding > > > >> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> documentation I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> need, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javadocs or specifications - and > > > keeping > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> around > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> older > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation. I think we're > still > > > >> working > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> these > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> - > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> since > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> you > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retained > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the menu up top it should be > > > >> > > > > > > > >> straightforward > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> have a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> robust > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropdown. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The blue you used is more of a > > > reddish > > > >> or > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> purplish > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> blue > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blue > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the app is more of a greenish > blue. > > > I'm > > > >> > > > > > > > >> kind > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> curious > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> what > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greener > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blue > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would look like ... did you mock > > one > > > up > > > >> > > > > > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> looked > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> bad? > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Or > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fundamental question, should the > > > website > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> evoke > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> theme of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app? I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know how I feel. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:59 AM, > > Joe > > > >> Witt > > > >> > > > > > > > >> < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd say the two sides of the > > > spectrum > > > >> as > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> examples > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> are: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://kafka.apache.org/ > [super > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> minimalist] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > http://aurora.incubator.apache.org/ > > > [ > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> quite > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> fancy > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> looking ] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both in my opinion are > beautifully > > > done > > > >> > > > > > > > >> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> make > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> easy > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> get > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think these (and others) > provide > > > >> great > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> examples > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> both > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sides > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectrum have merit. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is most important to me is > > > that we > > > >> > > > > > > > >> as > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> community > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> rally > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the expertise and > willingness > > > to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> contribute > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> space. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:34 AM, > > Joe > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Witt < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both are bootstrap based. Each > > is > > > an > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> iterative > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> improvement. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And we > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep iterating as folks have > > time, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> willingness, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> expertise > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that this new look does > > not > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> distinguish a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> brand. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mature enough to worry about > that > > > yet. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> We > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> just > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> need > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> enough > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> info laid out enough to help > > grow a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> community > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> get > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> folks > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> info > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need. We need it laid out in a > > way > > > >> > > > > > > > >> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> multiple > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> folks > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> can > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once we have a release, recruit > > > some > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> committers, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrate > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progress on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Apache Way and grow then > > > perhaps > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> branding > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> becomes a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deal. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..this motivates me to spawn > > > another > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> thread > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> about > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> type > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to be... > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:13 > AM, > > > Adam > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Taft > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a downvote -- I > think > > > it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> indeed > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> looks > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> good. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> But > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terms of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constructive criticism... > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the mockup looks like > a > > > very > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> generic > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> "bootstrap" > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> site, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million other bootstrap based > > > sites. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> I'd > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> personally > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> almost > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing utilitarian website > > over > > > a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> bootstrap > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> theme, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> simply > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't try to be anything > more > > > than > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> what > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> it > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> is. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This approach might be an > > > acceptable > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> tradeoff > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> project; > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootstrap look & feel is > > > obviously a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> resource > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> savings > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right price point. But the > site > > > >> > > > > > > > >> mockup > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> definitely > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distinguish > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache NiFi "brand" in anyway. > > In > > > >> fact > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> opposite, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brand > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watered > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down with this look. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a funny side note, > humorously > > > for > > > >> > > > > > > > >> me, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> was > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> first > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head when I saw the site: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-04-01/ > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:39 > PM, > > > >> Aldrin > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Piri > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> < > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In partial fulfillment of the > > > goals > > > >> > > > > > > > >> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> NIFI-162, I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> set > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> some > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aside > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put together something a bit > > more > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> visually > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appealing > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My work can be found at: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > https://github.com/apiri/apache-nifi-site > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently, work focused > around > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> homepage, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> but > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> similar > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> styles > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applied to more content > driven > > > pages > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> minus > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> large > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headlining > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sections. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The relevant technology > > colophon > > > is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> provided > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> in > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> README > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Github > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> primarily driven by > Bootstrap, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> existing > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> image > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> resources > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and current site, and > > > other > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> "artwork" > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> which I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> created > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am neither a UX expert nor > am > > > I a > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> renowned > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> front > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> end > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designer, > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> input is welcome. As a > > "version > > > >> > > > > > > > >> 1.1" > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> would > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> like to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adjust > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converge more with the > > > application. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Ideas > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> for > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> are > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as bringing the toolbar > > > styling > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> color > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> scheme > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> from > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the site. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this seems like a > reasonable > > > path > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> forward > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> there > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> is > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support, I can look at the > next > > > >> > > > > > > > >> steps > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> to > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> get > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> this > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project, optimization, and > > > >> > > > > > > > >> integration > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> with > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> application > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To aid in showing the > > intangibles > > > >> > > > > > > > >> that > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> can't > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> be > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> seen > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> from > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> image, I > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a copy of this design hosted > at > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aldrinpiri.com/apache-nifi/ > . > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links are currently > > > nonfunctional as > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> they > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>> were > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> taken > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> from > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Aldrin > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >
