Let's not start new questions for now? Be patient and let's see what other
people think. One of the most important rule in ASF is 'community over
code', so although I also think accepting patches is the most emergency
thing here, but let's see other people's opinion first.

Thanks.

David Sidrane <david.sidr...@nscdg.com> 于2019年12月23日周一 下午8:58写道:

> Hi Duo,
>
> Well said and I am all for it.
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1 Who will apply the patches?
> 2 Can we use and merge a PR that has been reviewed?
>
> David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 张铎(Duo Zhang) [mailto:palomino...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 4:35 AM
> To: dev@nuttx.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Simple Workflow Proposal
>
> For our Chinese people we do not think starting working when the
> requirements are not very clear is a big risk, this is what happens every
> day here. You can not plan everything so just have a try, if it does not
> work then just drop it and retry, no harm :)
>
> And in my experience, if we can not agree on something, and seems the
> direction of the conversation is not going to solve the problem, then we
> should stop, and try to make consensus on something else, maybe on a higher
> level, or a precondition of the current problem. If we can not even make a
> consensus then we do not need to talk any more, honestly.
>
> And back to the discussion here, I think we all agree that, we want the
> NuttX project to be successful right? Everyone here just wants to help,
> let’s be friendly to each other.
>
> And second, what is the most emergency problem for now? I do not think it
> is the workflow. We can not accept new patches, this is the biggest problem
> I think. And since it is Christmas so as Greg said maybe we can delay it
> for two weeks, but anyway it will still be the biggest problem after we
> come back from Christmas(OK I need to say that we Chinese people do not
> have Christmas holidays...).
>
> Do we really need a new workflow for accepting patches? I do not think so,
> now the only difference is that the code has been moved from bitbucket to
> github, so follow the old workflow is an option I’d say. Let’s do things
> step by step.
>
> Anyway, I think we should make a consensus first, if we all agree that
> accepting new patches is the most emergency problem for now, then we can
> start to talk the further actions. If not, let’s first define the problem.
> We really need to start from a consensus.
>
> My two cents. Thanks.
>
> Gregory Nutt <spudan...@gmail.com>于2019年12月23日 周一10:02写道:
>
> >
> > > But the #1 most critical thing facing this project is adopting even
> > > just the requirements for the workflow.  None of the other issues have
> > > any significant importance
> > >
> > > So I have to be opposed to any obstacles that jeopardize or distract
> > > from the #1 priority thing.
> >
> > One of the dangers of delaying the workflow requirements is that there
> > are people actually developing workflow components now ... WITHOUT any
> > requirements!!! Pull unadulterated rogue behavior. There is a great risk
> > of just have some workflow foisted upon us with no ability by the PPMC
> > to guide or monitor.
> >
> > We will be giving away our right to define the workflow it we do not
> > make progress on the workflow requirements.  Yet another rogue workflow
> > will be forced on us.
> >
> > I think we must decline any attempts to do commit unapproved workflow
> > components.  We must not allow any workflow to be put into place without
> > the concurrence of the PPMC.  We give our concurrence only by agreeing
> > to a set of workflow requirements then enforcing those requirements.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
>

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