Hi,

I agree that auto-merge should not be used.

But I disagree that "as it is now since almost all patches follow the
rule and seldom someone self-merges a patch". Here is a list of
patches that were self merged last 12 days:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-nuttx/pull/5474
https://github.com/apache/incubator-nuttx/pull/5445
https://github.com/apache/incubator-nuttx/pull/5444
https://github.com/apache/incubator-nuttx/pull/5428
https://github.com/apache/incubator-nuttx/pull/5425
https://github.com/apache/incubator-nuttx/pull/5508

All of the PRs have relatively low complexity and do not touch the
core functionality so I'm ok with self-merging in such cases.

Best regards,
Petro

пт, 18 лют. 2022 р. о 08:35 alin.jerpe...@sony.com
<alin.jerpe...@sony.com> пише:
>
> Hi all
>
> In my opinion we should not use the auto merge functionality since most of 
> the time there is at least 1 of us active at any time and the amount of 
> patches is not comparable to EX: Google.
>
> I think that the merge policy is fine as it is now since almost all patches 
> follow the rule and seldom someone self-merges a patch.
>
> Also we should note that in case some patches land accidentally in the master 
> branch we can always revert them if it is necessary
>
> Best regards
> Alin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sidrane <david.sidr...@nscdg.com>
> Sent: den 17 februari 2022 22:31
> To: dev@nuttx.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS]: Self merge and Single company/organization merge 
> gating
>
> On Self merge:
>
> As Nathan pointed out, it is more about time zones then merge velocity.
> However, using a backport only methodology requires an upstream merge before 
> the work can be backported with least effort and adds a serial delay. It 
> would be ideal to reduces the CI quantum delay this as much as we can.
>
> GH has a setting to merge on successful CI after approval. It is lit by the 
> approver. This removes the polling for completion of CI.
> If this can be configured it reduces the polling for both approver and 
> author. If it can not be configured in our repos, then self merge is the next 
> best thing.
>
> I am not trying to circumvent the review process at all - just remove the 
> idle time imposed by the process that is sampling related.
>
> > an approval from outside of the company/organization then the author
> > can do the merge. For complex changes the person outside the
> > organization should perform the merge even if there are more than 1
> > approval from inside the company/organization.
>
> I agree.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Petro Karashchenko <petro.karashche...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 1:01 PM
> To: dev@nuttx.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]: Self merge and Single company/organization merge 
> gating
>
> Hello,
>
> Regarding PRs megre by the author: I think that if the changes are relatively 
> simple (again that is very subjective, but I hope that people with merge 
> rights have more or less the same common sense of
> it) and there is an approval from outside of the company/organization then 
> the author can do the merge. For complex changes the person outside the 
> organization should perform the merge even if there are more than 1 approval 
> from inside the company/organization.
>
> In this way reviewers can perform reviews with better quality and if someone 
> "forget" to press the "rebase & merge" button because for example CI is still 
> running and that is the end of working day, then the author can press that 
> button and not do extra tagging in PRs. I vote to make that process usable 
> for people and sacrifice bureaucracy in the places where it is possible.
>
> Best regards,
> Petro
>
> вт, 15 лют. 2022 р. о 18:26 Nathan Hartman <hartman.nat...@gmail.com> пише:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:01 PM Brennan Ashton
> > <bash...@brennanashton.com> wrote:
> > > > Background:
> > > I am generally opposed to both of these. It is quite rare that we
> > > need a crazy fast merge turn around on a PR. And if something is
> > > approved and straight up broken in master that needs to get in then
> > > I think forgiveness can be used to self merge.
> > >
> > >
> > > I also generally do not have a big issue about people from the same
> > > company reviewing and merging. I could see the arguments for shared
> > > code but then I
> > > think we are nitpicking.   I prefer the velocity with a few oops that
> > > can
> > > be reverted along the way if needed.  There is also parts of the
> > > code base where the best people to review are on the same company.
> > >
> > >
> > > I think most of the concerns here are best addressed not by process
> > > but increasing the number of contributors who can participate. (more
> > > committers and PPMC)
> >
> > Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think David is bringing
> > this up because of time zones.
> >
> > Indeed, most of the PR merging activity seems to occur during what I
> > would call nighttime or early morning, and I think that might be more
> > pronounced in David's time zone.
> >
> > Still, I think things have been working well, more or less, and I
> > don't think we need to make up any new rules right now.
> >
> > Instead, I would only urge committers to give complex PRs 12-24 hours
> > to percolate, even if there's an approving review, so other time zones
> > have a chance to look at them.
> >
> > Obviously that doesn't apply if it's urgent. For example, if the build
> > is broken and people can't get work done, or a serious error was
> > merged and needs to be reverted ASAP, don't wait, do it!
> >
> > Also, it's not necessary to delay for trivial PRs.
> >
> > What are the definitions of "complex," "trivial," "urgent," etc? I
> > say, committers should just use their best judgment and try to find a
> > good balance. Don't rush too much, don't delay too much. :-)
> >
> > David brings up a good point about time zones and we do have to
> > remember that NuttX is a global project, and I think that's the main
> > point to keep in mind.
> >
> > To Brennan's last point: as we grow the committer base, we are likely
> > to have more people in more time zones and more PR reviewers, so this
> > should become less of a concern.
> >
> > Nathan

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