I'm sorry to be contradictory, but I don't think this statement is
true: "the ASF is not ready to host all of these things - nightly
builds, demo sites, documentation management, etc"
The ASF infra certainly IS ready for these things, and nearly all
other projects DO those things on ASF infra. In fact, it has been
brought up as a concern by a few other people in the foundation that
OFBiz is not doing these exact things on ASF infra, and we really need
to address that concern. There are legal and public relations, as well
as maintenance/etc, concerns. At this point it's enough of an issue
that I've been asked to include a report on this in the next board
report, and keep updating status on it in board reports until it is
complete. The PMC has been discussing this a bit, and Jacques has
started working on some things for his external servers.
It may be easier to use infra that we're familiar with already, but we
need to start working with the infra people at the ASF and solving
some of these problems in more collaboration with them.
Actually, it's a great opportunity to do so now because they may have
great feedback on things we should do in the apps and/or other things
we can improve in OFBiz. It was great to meet a lot of the infra
people at ApacheCon, and even to work side-by-side with a few of them
digging postholes and pounding nails into a fence. It's definitely
volunteer driven, but there are good people there to work with. And,
if anyone gets impatient with what is going on over there... then
volunteering to work on infra is the appropriate way to resolve that! ;)
-David
On Nov 16, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
Whenever the community is ready, we can host an instance for these
purposes (at least until the ASF is ready to do this). This is not
an issue right now since the ASF is not ready to host all of these
things - nightly builds, demo sites, documentation management, etc -
but I agree at some point it would be nice if this was all under the
ASF umbrella. Whenever they're ready, we'll be more than happy to
move all of that stuff to the ASF - but for now, if we need
additional infrastructure, we have a place where it can be hosted,
at no charge to anyone else, that will meet everyone's needs.
Personally, I think that this all kinda depends when we have
WebSlinger integrated and into OFBiz officially, as it's the only
interface I've seen on top of OFBiz that would be possible to
replace something like Confluence.
Cheers,
Tim
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On Nov 16, 2008, at 6:45 AM, David E Jones wrote:
1. create list of activities we want to be able to do with OFBiz
(in the OFBREQDES space on docs.ofbiz.org)
2. design screens, etc needed for enabling (and dare I say...
automating) these activities
3. develop and contribute functionality, perhaps in a new component
in specialpurpose that is just for enabling collaboration on open
source projects (project mgmt, content mgmt, etc for open source
projects)
4. a number of people try to use it locally and send feedback and
ideas to this mailing list, and refine #1 and repeat
5. get a test server up somewhere for people to try it out in a
group setting on a small set of content, tasks, etc (possibly
optional if #4 is good enough)
6. deploy to a production server and really start using for OFBiz
If I understand what you are saying, it is like #5. Before trying
to do that I'd like to at least do #4, and preferably #1-3 before
that.
-David
On Nov 16, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Bruno Busco wrote:
That's great,
but in order to get OFBiz ready, I think we should have it working
as a CMS
in a live site where we all have access and with contents that
will then be
moved into the Apache server.
Is this possible?
-Bruno
2008/11/13 David E Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Actually as we get OFBiz ready to run for OFBiz we'll have it
hosted on ASF
infra. The OFBiz resources that are not hosted on ASF infra are
actually an
issue right now that needs to be resolved at some point (ie
confluence,
nightly builds, demo site, etc).
-David
On Nov 13, 2008, at 12:13 AM, Bruno Busco wrote:
Hi Enrique,
I just bumped this thread up because using OFBiz itself in place
of
Confluence and even Jira has been discussed in the Apache
Symposium
(according to David's notes).
I think that setting a server up and running is something HWM
will do
something about.
On my end I will more than happy to help this happen and kept
running.
-Bruno
2008/11/13 Enrique Ruibal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello Bruno,
What do you have in mind?, Is there something that can be
started on your
end?
How Can I help with Testing / Documenting stuff?
Regards,
Enrique R.
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