Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:37 AM, David E Jones wrote:
What I have so far is in the board report draft (based on the email report I sent to the PMC a few weeks ago):http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/ASF+Board+Report+2008-12+DRAFTAs mentioned in there none of these have been a high priority, but it is an outstanding issue that board members, and more recently and vocally PRC members, have brought up. I'm not sure if the infrastructure guys really care where OFBiz resources are hosted... my experience is consistent with yours Tim that they don't seem to worried about it.Right now I consider this a lower priority item and there doesn't seem to be huge urgency on it, but it does need to be done sooner or later, and help on it would be very appreciated!Most discussions happen on the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list and anyone can subscribe to that. Lots of things happen based on discussions there, and then issues in the infra Jira project. They also have an IRC room that some hang out it, and that they use when more coordination is needed for certain changes.-David On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:Not contradictory at all, I'm just ignorant to this fact, since I hadn't seen it broadcast and I've been the one handling it for the community.Let's start moving it right away then if they've got the bandwidth to do this. I've had numerous meetings with the infrastructure group and would be more than happy to dive into this role - just didn't know they were offering! Aaron Farr, Noel Bergmann and the infrastructure guys and I had many meetings and discussions about doing this - but they didn't seem like, "Please move all of your stuff over here." - they seemed more like, "Let's start discussing this and we'll figure out when it's time to do this."In fact, I was in the process of getting another server dedicated to this effort on our infrastructure, but if the ASF can handle all of this, then let's try our hand at doing it this way:1. Move the demo servers immediately 2. Move the nightly builds and that process immediately3. Decide what we want to do longer term (Confluence vs. WebSlinger) and move that-- This will take some more thought - we could obviously do #4 first -- I just didn't want them to have to manage that. 4. Move document repositoryAnyways, if we're ready to go, I'll put the halt on the new server and the new services we were planning. Add me to whatever list i need to in order to get in touch and I'll drive the process with infrastructure to get it all going. I doubt it's as easy to drop in as you were alluding to, but I'm happy to push that along as much as possible.I'm also going to send another email to this list about what the ASF did ask for while we were there in hopes that we can all be a part of a more directed, coordinated effort to build something on top of OFBiz directly to meet the ASF needs.Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:07 AM, David E Jones wrote:I'm sorry to be contradictory, but I don't think this statement is true: "the ASF is not ready to host all of these things - nightly builds, demo sites, documentation management, etc"The ASF infra certainly IS ready for these things, and nearly all other projects DO those things on ASF infra. In fact, it has been brought up as a concern by a few other people in the foundation that OFBiz is not doing these exact things on ASF infra, and we really need to address that concern. There are legal and public relations, as well as maintenance/etc, concerns. At this point it's enough of an issue that I've been asked to include a report on this in the next board report, and keep updating status on it in board reports until it is complete. The PMC has been discussing this a bit, and Jacques has started working on some things for his external servers.It may be easier to use infra that we're familiar with already, but we need to start working with the infra people at the ASF and solving some of these problems in more collaboration with them.Actually, it's a great opportunity to do so now because they may have great feedback on things we should do in the apps and/or other things we can improve in OFBiz. It was great to meet a lot of the infra people at ApacheCon, and even to work side-by-side with a few of them digging postholes and pounding nails into a fence. It's definitely volunteer driven, but there are good people there to work with. And, if anyone gets impatient with what is going on over there... then volunteering to work on infra is the appropriate way to resolve that! ;)-David On Nov 16, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:Whenever the community is ready, we can host an instance for these purposes (at least until the ASF is ready to do this). This is not an issue right now since the ASF is not ready to host all of these things - nightly builds, demo sites, documentation management, etc - but I agree at some point it would be nice if this was all under the ASF umbrella. Whenever they're ready, we'll be more than happy to move all of that stuff to the ASF - but for now, if we need additional infrastructure, we have a place where it can be hosted, at no charge to anyone else, that will meet everyone's needs.Personally, I think that this all kinda depends when we have WebSlinger integrated and into OFBiz officially, as it's the only interface I've seen on top of OFBiz that would be possible to replace something like Confluence.Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Nov 16, 2008, at 6:45 AM, David E Jones wrote:1. create list of activities we want to be able to do with OFBiz (in the OFBREQDES space on docs.ofbiz.org) 2. design screens, etc needed for enabling (and dare I say... automating) these activities 3. develop and contribute functionality, perhaps in a new component in specialpurpose that is just for enabling collaboration on open source projects (project mgmt, content mgmt, etc for open source projects) 4. a number of people try to use it locally and send feedback and ideas to this mailing list, and refine #1 and repeat 5. get a test server up somewhere for people to try it out in a group setting on a small set of content, tasks, etc (possibly optional if #4 is good enough)6. deploy to a production server and really start using for OFBizIf I understand what you are saying, it is like #5. Before trying to do that I'd like to at least do #4, and preferably #1-3 before that.-David On Nov 16, 2008, at 2:01 AM, Bruno Busco wrote:That's great,but in order to get OFBiz ready, I think we should have it working as a CMS in a live site where we all have access and with contents that will then bemoved into the Apache server. Is this possible? -Bruno 2008/11/13 David E Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Actually as we get OFBiz ready to run for OFBiz we'll have it hosted on ASF infra. The OFBiz resources that are not hosted on ASF infra are actually an issue right now that needs to be resolved at some point (ie confluence,nightly builds, demo site, etc). -David On Nov 13, 2008, at 12:13 AM, Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Enrique,I just bumped this thread up because using OFBiz itself in place of Confluence and even Jira has been discussed in the Apache Symposium(according to David's notes).I think that setting a server up and running is something HWM will dosomething about.On my end I will more than happy to help this happen and kept running.-Bruno 2008/11/13 Enrique Ruibal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Hello Bruno,What do you have in mind?, Is there something that can be started on yourend? How Can I help with Testing / Documenting stuff? Regards, Enrique R. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Idea%3A-OFBiz-self-hosting-tp19235405p20471724.html Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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