Dependencies between themes do not allow modular selection, distribution and installation. Please give a look to these web sites:
http://www.templatemonster.com/magento-themes.php http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/ http://drupal.org/project/Themes they are all examples of how to maintain themes database. In a production installation one can choose between: - using one of the OOTB themes as it is - use one of the themes from the theme gallery as it is - start from one of the OOTB or gallery themes to build a new customized one Moving a theme from OOTB to the theme gallery should not be an issue. It simply slightly changes the way how a production server is updated. -Bruno 2011/1/7 Jacques Le Roux <[email protected]> > From: "BJ Freeman" <[email protected]> > >> more the second. >> >> however I am reacting more to a pattern change. >> for instance ecommerce was downgraded from a main app to a specialpurpose. >> I was not removed. the architecture lets it be moved with out any code >> changes to custom components already developed against it. >> > > Yes, I completly understand your point... And I guess you are not alone in > this situation... > > > related to themes, and multitenacy, not every user is going to want the >> same theme so the themes folder will be filled with `100's eventually. >> >> the script I started, >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3490 >> is getting fancier. >> I can see templates for functionality of themes instead of the themes >> themselves. >> the seup app reads the data templateThemeData.xml and modifies it on the >> fly to the way the customer wants it. >> This way we don't have a lot of inactive themes and all the possibilities >> are in the template data. >> this is a flexible change once the Setup structure is in place. >> see >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-635 >> comment - 05/May/09 02:14 PM >> > > As I planned initially, to be discussed... > > Jacques > > > >> ========================= >> BJ Freeman >> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation < >> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >> >> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 1/6/2011 11:15 PM: >> >> OK, that was the reason I had some concerns. Let's discuss it >>> seriously... >>> >>> I think there are 2 ways to create a new themes from an existing one (a >>> brand new one is not a problem). >>> >>> Duplicate an OOTB existing one and peek an poke there (resourceValues in >>> ThemeNameThemeData.xml are all refering to locations in this theme) >>> pros: independent from changes in the original theme (no pb if the theme >>> dissapears, is changed for any reasons, etc.) >>> cons: independent from changes in the original theme (you can't benefit >>> from bug fixes, improvements, enhancements, etc.) >>> >>> Create a new theme by keeping references to an OOTB existing (some >>> resourceValues in ThemeNameThemeData.xml are still refering to locations >>> in this original theme) >>> As (almost) ever there are 2 faces to the coin, the pros and cons are >>> reversed from above. >>> >>> Which one are you using BJ? I guess the second. Else you would not have >>> any concerns >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> From: "BJ Freeman" <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Adrian i am sure as a business man you understand if it ain't broke >>>> don't fix it. >>>> Now if you talking about new themes I can agree, but no one has >>>> proposed any or give an price. >>>> >>>> ========================= >>>> BJ Freeman >>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>> >>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>> >>>> >>>> Adrian Crum sent the following on 1/6/2011 3:23 PM: >>>> >>>>> That can go both ways. If your deployments depends upon the visual >>>>> themes being in the trunk, then perhaps you should fund their upkeep. >>>>> >>>>> -Adrian >>>>> >>>>> On 1/6/2011 2:58 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> so you will be glad to fund the effort to do that. >>>>>> Time is money. and anything the effects the ROI needs to be >>>>>> considered, >>>>>> if the software is to be widely accepted. >>>>>> >>>>>> ========================= >>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>> >>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan Foster sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:51 PM: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I completely agree with you BJ. Considerations definitely have to be >>>>>>> made when things are removed, especially if they are tied to the >>>>>>> framework. What is being discussed is whether to remove themes, which >>>>>>> can be hot-deployed from being maintained in the trunk. For future >>>>>>> releases, all you would need to do is manually add your themes, >>>>>>> custom >>>>>>> or otherwise, to your production instance. If they are no longer tied >>>>>>> in svn to the trunk, they would not be effected by any updates or >>>>>>> releases. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:40 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so there will not be any more releases based on the trunk? >>>>>>>> I was speaking in the future when 11.04 or 12.04 happen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it is the disregard of those that actually use this software instead >>>>>>>> of just enjoy developing it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am a developer second and a business man first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> basically you can add all you want but when you want to remove you >>>>>>>> must consider those that have counted on what was provided. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier >>>>>>>> Automation< >>>>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:33 PM: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The theme will still be present in the 10.04 releases. >>>>>>>>> No production servers should rely on trunk. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have one that uses the flat grey as default >>>>>>>>>> so if I do an update from the svn the flat grey will and my >>>>>>>>>> customization >>>>>>>>>> disappear. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> my sas uses all those in the themes, with my modification. >>>>>>>>>> they will be removed. when the svn update is run. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> those are just a few examples. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ========================= >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation< >>>>>>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 2:00 PM: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am sorry, BJ, I do not see your point. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What could be the issue? >>>>>>>>>>> We will have less themes to maintain in the trunk (just Flat >>>>>>>>>>> Grey, >>>>>>>>>>> Tomahawk, >>>>>>>>>>> Default and Multiflex). >>>>>>>>>>> We will have more people that will be able to maintain additional >>>>>>>>>>> themes >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the Themes Gallery. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Production servers will have each one its selected theme (one of >>>>>>>>>>> the OOTB, >>>>>>>>>>> one of the Themes Gallery or a customized version of them). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2011/1/6 BJ Freeman<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> how about those that are using ofbiz for SAS and will have many >>>>>>>>>>> themes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> their clients. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruno Busco sent the following on 1/6/2011 12:51 PM: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, having more than one theme in the trunk was originally >>>>>>>>>>>> accepted in >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> order to use and show the visual theme selection feature OOTB. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and Tomahawk are one the >>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the other. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Each time we decided to create a new theme instead of replacing >>>>>>>>>>>>> the one >>>>>>>>>>>>> existing just to avoid problems to users. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My proposal is to remove Bluelight, Dropping Crumbs and >>>>>>>>>>>>> BizznessTime >>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>> the trunk and put them in a separate themes repository as >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested by >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Remove the actual version of the Flat Grey from the trunk and >>>>>>>>>>>>> put it in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> themes repository. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Improve the Flat Grey theme in the trunk with the work you guys >>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> doing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In this way we will have in the trunk two themes for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> backend >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Actual >>>>>>>>>>>>> FlatGrey and Tomahawk) and two themes for the ecommerce >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Default >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Multiflex). >>>>>>>>>>>>> In the themes repository there will be Bluelight, Dropping >>>>>>>>>>>>> Crumbs, >>>>>>>>>>>>> BizznessTime and the actual FlatGrey. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It could be a nice start for the theme repository (and gallery) >>>>>>>>>>>>> start. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Bruno >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/1/6 Jacques Le Roux<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inline... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your concerns about support, and your thoughts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes has some valid points. However, in regards to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BizznessTime theme, I never really intended for that to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "my" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. I always viewed it as a community theme as that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was it's original intent and it was truly a collaborative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build it between myself, my colleagues at HotWax, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BrainFood, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and other members of the the OFBiz community. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, sorry for that Ryan. It's only because I know you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "fathers" (the most important I guess) and helped much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the beginning, my apologies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At any rate, my time issues and focus have shifted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the last few months as I have left HotWax and gone into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independent consulting and freelance development. I plan on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much more active role in the community in the months and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years ahead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's really a good, very good news! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as theme contributions go, I wonder if maybe it would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea to have a theme repo outside of the trunk that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals could commit to? The problem with theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new theme has been added to the trunk is that not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone has commit privileges to the trunk. This makes the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance a lot more time consuming for individual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors as they have to rely on patches, updates, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collaboration, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc, rather than just monitoring and maintaining their own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This could certainly be discussed as themes are no blocking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as *at least one works "perfectly"* (another way is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become committer), opinions? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the way that Magento and Wordpress do it are good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wordpress, there is one "official" theme that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included with the install, but there are literally thousands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of themes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are not maintained by Wordpress that they list on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there site http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/, and now with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 3.0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release you can even search for new themes and install them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically from inside your Wordpress install. Doing it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fosters wider community support by delegating maintenance of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these themes to individual contributors rather than forcing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handful of committers and also allows developers to monetize >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there contributions by offering "premium" themes and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are many individuals and companies in the Wordpress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community that make their living solely by selling themes and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This furthers solidifies the base of support for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project by offering a mid-tier option for someone who wants >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than OOTB but can't necessarily afford custom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This makes good sense indeed. The only difference, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately the width of the audience. This does not mean >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not try... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From my perspective, I don't see much chance in the Flat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme being abandoned. Enough people use it that it will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the attention it needs. If Ryan isn't available to fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can fix it. If I'm not available, someone else could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix it, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/6/2011 6:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your screen copies at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks really great! Looking forward for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My concerns are that maybe you will not have enough time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up with possible bugs or other issues. Look for instance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Bizzness Time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if it looks a bit old, we have a theme which works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great. Why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking any risks with it? Also I can't see any issues >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. The more we have the better, I like to have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (rare) people prefer to use old things, see games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesizers for instance (I still love the DX-7 sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are any evolved version of Flat Grey yet. So this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern one still using the RTL mechanism introduced by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice the name! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Foster wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO I see no reason to have a "Flat Grey Evolution" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right, the Flat Grey theme hasn't had a visual update in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years and it looks very dated. It needs some love. Let's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another improved version, let's just improve the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have now. I think that is more efficient and more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as the tabs go, we can still keep a horizontal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tab-like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation without actually having the tabs look like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tabs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, the absolutely do look terrible displayed in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian, I would be happy to collaborate with you on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think I have some ideas that could help. Email me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to hash out some ideas outside of this mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Consequently, as far as new admin themes go, I guess I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an opportunity as well to drop a teaser about a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been working on already for some time now that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> honestly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will become the go-to theme for scalability and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customization, and that will eventually replace the Flat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether. The new theme scales down very well to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 800x600 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and has minimal styling for maximum flexibility and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customization. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stay tuned for more details in the next few days... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan L. Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 801.671.0769 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chiclet refers to a brand of chewing gum. The tabs look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pieces >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Chiclets chewing gum. They look terrible when they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed in two rows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Jacques Le Roux< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By "chiclet" main navigation style, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean the tabs? Then I think we should keep Flat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grey as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is (because there are advantages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have tabs) and create a Flat Grey evolution... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking we could use colors from the Apache >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the BizznessTime theme. I would also like to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rid of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "chiclet" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main navigation style, and maybe have that menu in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapsible left column. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sascha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rodekamp<[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Discussion: Flat Grey Visual Theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected], >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Jacques Le Roux"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 2:27 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would appreciate to keep the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flat Gray. But you're right it needs a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few visual improvements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me think about this, maybe somethink comes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..... :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010/12/29 Jacques Le >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roux<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRW, it's the only really RTL capable. So a big YES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no ideas though :/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Adrian Crum"<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Flat Grey visual theme is getting old. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current version of the theme is based on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and feel of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz when I first joined the community - back in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2004. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Spring of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2007 I added some gradient gifs to make the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original style >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that, the visual theme was converted to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flexible layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (to fit any size screen), it was made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sight-impaired accessible (font size >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be changed), and it added support for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bi-directional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for rtl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages). Those design decisions were made by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community and, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my opinion, continue to make the Flat Grey theme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fallback >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme when all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else fails. It just works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite its advantages, it looks dated. I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it more modern, but maintain its advantages over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themes. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking it only needs css and gif file updates. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> javascripts would be maintained. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, they are welcome to help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate any suggestions or comments. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sascha Rodekamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynx-Consulting GmbH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johanniskirchplatz 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D-33615 Bielefeld >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.lynx.de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
