Hi David,

woow what an achievement, I am always interested in further developments
of the ofbiz project and see this as a further step. You can count me in
for the applications side of things.

Regards,
Hans

On Sat, 2011-04-02 at 00:09 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> I still don't know if or how all of this will turn out, but here is the 
> latest on the changes I've been wanting to make in the OFBiz Framework, but 
> gave up on doing directly in OFBiz about a year and a half ago. The 
> redesigned framework is a separate project that is now in beta (I just did 
> the release today):
> 
> http://www.moqui.org/
> 
> The Moqui Framework is now feature-complete for the planned feature set of 
> the 1.0 version. There are details about this in the release notes, including 
> everything in this release and the previous 3 releases, plus a list of 
> features not to be included in 1.0.
> 
> At this point the framework is far enough along that it is a clear 
> demonstration of the changes that I would like to see in OFBiz, but that are 
> difficult to do in a project with such a mature community and a large set of 
> software that depends on it. Some of the main things are how the security and 
> authorization are done, how the API is organized, the separation between 
> framework and non-framework runtime artifacts, the deployment model 
> (described in detail in the RunDeploy.txt file in the project), the way 
> templates are used for simple-methods (XML Actions in Moqui) and the 
> form/screen/etc widgets (XML Screens, Forms in Moqui), and how the web 
> "controller" in OFBiz could be combined with screens and made hierarchical to 
> introduce a lot of flexibility and far better organization of applications 
> (less files open, easier to find things, automatic menu creation, per-used 
> menu items/subscreens, and much more).
> 
> Now that the beta is out the next step is to start building more real-world 
> applications with it (so far the framework just has an example app and some 
> basic tools built on it), and those will act as test cases as well. I don't 
> have any intention to create another project like OFBiz that is a 
> comprehensive ERP/CRM/etc/etc/etc system, and instead I'm hoping those will 
> be separate project.
> 
> However, I am working on a project to act as a basis for various applications 
> that will share the same data model, common services, and derive from a 
> common set of stories too. This project is called "Mantle". To see how this 
> all fits together, check out the home page on the moqui.org site which has a 
> diagram that includes these things. There is also a link to the github 
> repository that has the Mantle UDM (Universal Data Model) progress so far.
> 
> Back to the first comment: I don't know all of this will turn out. In a way 
> it would be interesting to have OFBiz migrate to use these things, but that 
> may not be of interest to very many in the community, so I won't be too 
> surprised if that never happens. I've already heard from a couple of people 
> who have proposed this idea, and I know some others would probably be very 
> against it.
> 
> On the other hand, if anyone is curious about such a thing, now it's possible 
> to get an idea of what it might look like by look at the Moqui Framework and 
> the example application and such.
> 
> -David
> 
> 

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