Wow, I have done both, then I read the rest of this thread.
Jacques, I don't have any images. Sharan or Ruth might want to supply one. May our next discussion be about something more substantial... Cheers Paul Foxworthy David E Jones-4 wrote: > > On May 4, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> From: "David E Jones" <[email protected]> >>> Jacques, >>> >>> Why do you recommend requesting changes in comments? >> >> http://markmail.org/message/iadu3l57gkb22lkf :p > > Yeah, that was nearly 5 years ago. I would hope we could make progress in > that time, especially for this sort of low frequency thing that is easily > lost. > >>> There is no way to track them there, and a good chance fewer people (or >>> no one) will notice them. >> >> You may use Confluence for that see >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/users/viewnotifications.action > > Yes, but how many committers have Confluence notifications setup, and how > many want them? > >>> We also have a license granting issue which is better through Jira, >>> though technically not required (ie for legal something over a >>> mailing list, and perhaps in a comment, is okay but Jira has an explicit >>> contribution thingy). >>> >>> I'm not sure what you meant by what you wrote here, but it is very >>> different from what I wrote and it sounded like you were saying >>> it was the same as what I wrote. >>> >>> Paul: I apologize for the confusion, quite frankly there aren't many >>> contributions for the restricted spaces in Confluence, and as >>> you can see there is not a consensus or even a meeting of the minds >>> about how to handle it. I'd still recommend a Jira issue if >>> you want to make sure your changes get tracked and don't slip through >>> the cracks. Email and comments get lost a lot easier, and >>> don't get seen by as many committers (especially if sent directly to a >>> couple of people instead of to the mailing list). Comments >>> are the same way, I don't know how many (if any) committers have >>> notifications setup for all comments, I certainly don't. >> >> I have :o) And I follow it closely from the moment you gave me the rights >> for that (some years ago). Actually I act as a sort of >> Confluence moderator, and I do it seriously. Conflucen comments >> advantage: Confluence formatting, a simple C/P and voilà. Still the >> delegate and KISS way: as you said license granting is not required . > > If it works, fine. If I were contributing something to Confluence I would > use a Jira issue to do it and keep track of it, and that's what I was > trying to communicate to Paul. Otherwise I, as a contributor, would have > to monitor and keep track of it instead of having a system to help with > that. > > Just an FYI: Jira comments also support Confluence style formatting. > > -David > > > >>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>>> Though it has already been explained recently but shortly by David (I >>>> think it's explained in the wiki somewhere also), the >>>> established practise for Confluence (we call Wiki the open pages) is to >>>> suggest your changes in a comment at bottom of the page >>>> to >>>> change. You can even use Confluence formatting there. It's not more >>>> work for you and sligthly for us (we would have to review >>>> changes anyway). >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> PS: Paul, I have just received your documents, please follow the >>>> procedure above rather. Note that I want to keep the same >>>> structure, ie have you an image for Sharan's book? >>>> >>>> From: "David E Jones" <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie >>>>> create a Jira issue. >>>>> >>>>> Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence. >>>>> If someone starts contributing a lot of content they will >>>>> be >>>>> invited to have permissions to do it directly. >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while >>>>>> everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the >>>>>> project >>>>>> administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right >>>>>> or we >>>>>> have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to >>>>>> be 90% >>>>>> right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly >>>>>> correct the >>>>>> last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors >>>>>> should >>>>>> be able to ignore? >>>>>> >>>>>> If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the >>>>>> procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> David E Jones-4 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce >>>>>>> quantity >>>>>>> and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to >>>>>>> commit. >>>>>>> Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we >>>>>>> are... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> someone with permission can update the page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and >>>>>>>> checking >>>>>>>> all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my >>>>>>>> own. >>>>>>>> So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a >>>>>>>> consensus... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jacques, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I >>>>>>>> wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the >>>>>>>> OFBADMIN >>>>>>>> wiki. Please move >>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books >>>>>>>> and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> able to work on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd >>>>>>>> PO Box 2773 >>>>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192 >>>>>>>> Phone: (03) 9585 6788 >>>>>>>> Fax: (03) 9585 1086 >>>>>>>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ >>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system >>>>>>>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3494531.html >>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > -- View this message in context: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3497602.html Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
