But as Pierre outlined the permissions concern is important.
Since Scott suggests to improve it in the Accounting component: +1
Jacques
From: "Mansour Al Akeel" <mansour.alak...@gmail.com>
Scott made a good point.
If there is duplicated code, and they don't add much useful
functionality, then they can move out, provided this will not break
anything.
+1
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Scott Gray <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
I have no problem with moving them out.
Pierre, there is actually very little functionality available to either of those apps and nothing that isn't already available in
the main accounting app. They do however carry the burden of two extra webapps and a LOT of duplicated code. There is nothing
there that couldn't be achieved with better handling of the permissions within the main accounting app. The goal here as with all
of these cleanup efforts is to reduce unnecessary elements within OFBiz, improve the consistency of what is available and then
move forward with good design on a solid base.
Moving components, webapps and whatever else to Extras is simply saying that we don't believe these items belong in a core OFBiz
distribution, nothing prevents them from being maintained by the community and used by anyone who would choose to do so. If there
is doubt that the components would be maintained after leaving OFBiz then in my mind that is more of a reason to discard them
than to keep them.
Regards
Scott
On 10/04/2012, at 1:09 PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
Hi Anil,
Are you proposing and committing yourself to bring all non-overlapping
functions in AP and AR to the core of the accounting application whilst
maintaining the added value these to sub components offer regarding user
friendliness and separation of concerns BEFORE moving AP and AR out to the
pasture?
In other words, redo all the work already done and perfectly working in
both sub components of accounting? I would say: if it aint broken, don't
try to fix it!
Regards,
Pierre
Op 10 april 2012 00:41 schreef Anil Patel <anil.pa...@hotwaxmedia.com> het
volgende:
Hi,
I agree that toolset for supporting AR and AP processes are important for
a business. Like Jacopo mentioned, AR and AP webapplications don't have any
that does not already exists in Accounting webapplication.
AR and AP webapplications are special purpose apps that try bring together
screens relevant to context and User Role. So by removing AR and AP
application from Accounting component we'll not be removing any
functionality. User will still be able to do comparable thing from
Accounting application. If there are exception I'll ensure its added to
accounting before removing AR and AP apps from Accounting application.
Also Moving Application out from Accounting to Ofbiz Extras does not mean
that we have abandoned it. All it means is, User will install those apps
based on their needs. I have seen many eCommerce installations that don't
use accounting application at all. Such users will appreciate to get slim
down Ofbiz :)
Thanks and Regards
Anil Patel
HotWax Media Inc
On Apr 8, 2012, at 4:13 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
It is very normal in FICO solutions to have as much as possible a
separation of concern implemented. This is applicable with regards to
inbound and outbound money flows (AR vs AP), and in and outbound flow of
goods (and the valueation thereof in FICO). For that (larger) companies
ensure that people involved in AR would not have access to functions in
AP.
But in more sophisticated ERP solutions that also applicable with the
financial aspects of Asset Maint (that OFBiz has in the special purpose
application Asset Maint),stock movements, the wages,tax, pensions and
soc
sec administration of personell , and liquid asset (cash, banks and cc-)
administration.
All these are normally handled in sub accounting solutions (as are AR and
AP, stock) where transactions are registered per identified item (ie the
customer, supplier, stock item) and consolidated in transactions entries
in
the general part of FICO.
Regards,
Pierre
Op 8 april 2012 07:53 schreef Jacopo Cappellato <
jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> het volgende:
But for what I understand the AR and AP applications contain alternative
screens to the ones in the main "accounting" application. They are an
effort to implement more focused/specific applications versus the more
generic "accounting" application.
So, the main "accounting" application should already contain both the
AR/AP features, but some of its screens could serve both.
I would be in favor of the removal if we can make sure that all the
features that are removed are still available (even if in a more generic
way) in the "accounting" application.
Jacopo
On Apr 8, 2012, at 1:23 AM, David E Jones wrote:
When I first saw the subject I was thinking this as well.
I always wondered why those were created as separate applications,
perhaps for permission reasons I suppose. In a way they make more sense
as part of the accounting webapp instead of in separate ones.
-David
Pierre Smits wrote:
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Accounts payable (AP) and accounts receivable (AP) are together with
the
ability to process accounting transactions the core ingredients of a
good
FICO solution. Without both any accountant will state that your
accounting
solution is worthless. Without both core accounting components you
(as a
company) would have no overview of money owed to you or that you owe
to
others.
Regards,
Pierre
Op 7 april 2012 19:41 schreef Jacques Le Roux
<jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>het volgende:
+1
Jacques
Anil Patel wrote:
Hi,
Like lot of other stuff, I think AR and AP applications should be
moved
out of Ofbiz Accounting component. As such they are
special purpose application, but again not core to Ofbiz application
framework.
I recommend we should relocate AR and AP webapplications out of
Ofbiz
Accounting to Ofbiz Extras. If we as community agree, I'll
put efforts to complete the job.
Thanks and Regards
Anil Patel
HotWax Media Inc
