From: "lemine youssef" <[email protected]> > Hi every body, > > I feel the duty to participate to this discussion even that I think that > e-amil > may not be the best way for discussion like this one and that distance get > things more complicated. > > If anyone find that some words are inappropriate, non constructive or > hurtful, > be sure that is not volunteer and it may be explained by the weakness > of our English, me first. > > Be sure also that we are relaxed and feel very involved by ofbiz future > and has no goal except enrich discussion and will note manage our > possible to do that. > > > I personally have the feeling that ofbiz PCM get more and more isolated and > disconnected form the reality for some reasons : > -Jacopo argue a contribution refusal because non one of the > community ! does he forgot that > we (neogia team) belongs to the community and we have dozen of > customer that do too. or the > community means PMC members only?
Sorry not clear, I guess you meant - Jacopo was against committing this contribution because nobody in the community was interested? > -what is the main role of the community, except that it should > influence PCM choices? > You should, as PMC member, take the community request into > consideration ! > -we all know how the ofbiz framework is great and well built, but > the ofbiz does not take off, whey? > I explain that by the fact that ofbiz PCM choices get > disconnected from the end users expectations > and needs and all what count is that pmc team consideration. > > -PMC members reactivity decreases dramatically giving external > observers the feeling that they > have no more the same motivation and no more involved by the > project life ! > -Is it normal that there where no enough PMC members at last apache > conf ? i don't think so. > > It should be that we (neogia or nereide team) don't have anything to > blame for the ofbiz > PMC members we consider theme as necessary. > > Regards, > Youssef. At this stage I think it's no longer necessary to continue the discussion, Jacopo gave his arguments; so did other members of the community. It seems we will not get to a consensus about committing this contribution or not. So I'd suggest a vote, however remember this Apache rule http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html <<Votes on code modifications follow a different model. In this scenario, a negative vote constitutes a veto , which cannot be overridden. Again, this model may be modified by a lazy consensus declaration when the request for a vote is raised, but the full-stop nature of a negative vote is unchanged. Under normal (non-lazy consensus) conditions, the proposal requires three positive votes and no negative ones in order to pass; if it fails to garner the requisite amount of support, it doesn't -- and typically is either withdrawn, modified, or simply allowed to languish as an open issue until someone gets around to removing it.>> So if any of the binding voters (PMC members) votes negatively this will not be commited... So maybe before using a tedious official vote procedure, it would be better for PMC members to express their opininon, a sole -1 and all this discussion is over... Even if from a technical perspective I really don't see the reason... Jacques
