Having an error.log OOTB, for sure, doens't have a negative impact on you. Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Scott Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > Everyone? So far we only have Jacques. Well and you I guess, but that's > debatable considering you only just decided yesterday to form a strong > opinion so I have my doubts about it having a negative impact for you. > > Regards > Scott > > On 15/09/2014, at 10:14 pm, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Why *force* EVERYONE not to have an error log OOTB? Why *force* EVERYONE > to > > spend time and money to get it back in? > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Adrian Crum < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Jacques, > >> > >> That perspective goes both ways. From my perspective, you are trying > >> *force* everyone to do things your way. > >> > >> That is why everyone is trying to get you to realize that a > >> one-size-fits-all setting will not work - because everyone is different. > >> > >> If you want the error log on your installation, then configure it to do > >> so. Why *force* EVERYONE to have an error log? > >> > >> Adrian Crum > >> Sandglass Software > >> www.sandglass-software.com > >> > >> On 9/15/2014 10:19 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> > >>> Not when you want to quickly spot obvious errors that you can easily > fix > >>> or wait to fix later, and yes I spent my share of debugging also... > >>> > >>> But anyway, why do you want to *force* everybody to use the same way > >>> than you, are you an OFBiz prophet? > >>> > >>> Jacques > >>> > >>> Le 15/09/2014 10:53, Scott Gray a écrit : > >>> > >>>> As someone who has spent thousands of hours debugging OFBiz > >>>> installations I can assure you that the error.log is redundant and > >>>> provides no true value over ofbiz.log. As I've mentioned a few times > >>>> now, OFBiz errors are regularly worthless without knowledge of the > >>>> context of the error which can only be found in ofbiz.log. > >>>> > >>>> With a few command line tools "clutter" is a total non-issue and even > >>>> a basic knowledge of those tools is a total time saver when > >>>> investigating log files. > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Scott > >>>> > >>>> On 15/09/2014, at 7:43 pm, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On the basis that log analysis and error identification/reporting > costs > >>>>> money, and the more complex this process is the more it costs. > >>>>> An error log contains less clutter and is the first point in > >>>>> identification > >>>>> and triage of (severe) issues in any organisation that has adopted a > >>>>> methodology for service delivery (e.g. ITIL, ISO/IEC 20000, etc), > >>>>> specifically the error control process (in ITIL) > >>>>> > >>>>> Without this OOTB more time is spend on: > >>>>> > >>>>> - going through the other, more detailed log(s) in the various > OFBiz > >>>>> systems an organisation might have (e.g. dev, test, prod, etc) > >>>>> - getting the error log back and ensuring that it stays in. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Pierre Smits > >>>>> > >>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>>>> Services and Retail & Trade > >>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Scott Gray < > [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On what basis? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards > >>>>>> Scott > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 12/09/2014, at 9:44 pm, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I support reverting this regression. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Pierre Smits > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>>>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>>>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>>>>>> Services and Retail & Trade > >>>>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Jacopo Cappellato < > >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Jacques Le Roux < > >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I don't understand why you are so not open to put back the > >>>>>>>>> error.log in > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> log4j2.xml > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Because it is just one of 1 million possible ways to configure > >>>>>>>> logging: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> is a specific one on not a generic one and so it is not better > >>>>>>>> than the > >>>>>>>> other 1 million possibilities; you have explained why you like it > but > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> me or > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> others could find similar arguments for the other millions ways; > >>>>>>>> since > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> no > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> one seconded you in your attempt to add the configuration back this > >>>>>>>> confirms to me that this specific configuration is not better than > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> other; > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> for this reason it should be left out of the trunk. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> and qualify this as a mess and almost myself and idiot. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I didn't say this and the mail archive can demonstrate it; you > >>>>>>>> have been > >>>>>>>> trying to raise the tone of the conversation since the beginning > >>>>>>>> of this > >>>>>>>> thread (and you did the same in at least another thread recently) > >>>>>>>> but I > >>>>>>>> will not start to fight with you. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jacopo > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >
