both i think

but well, karaf is a first step which can be enough for a lot of needs.

- Romain


2011/12/15 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]>

> The real question is: do we target to deploy only in an OSGi framework
> (like Felix or Equinox), and in that case, we have to install blueprint
> first (Gemini or Aries), or do we target to deploy in a container like
> Karaf (which include Aries Blueprint by default and use it a lot
> internally).
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 12/15/2011 03:34 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>
>> it is a lib which shouldn't be mandatory IMO.
>>
>> take JPA for instance it is usable in JSE or JEE. For me OpenEJB should be
>> usabel with blueprint and without.
>>
>> Once again maybe that's not a so big issue since i'm not so familiar with
>> blueprint.
>>
>> - Romain
>>
>>
>> 2011/12/15 dsh<daniel.haischt@googlemail.**com<[email protected]>
>> >
>>
>>  Blueprint as an architectural pattern is part of the OSGi enterprise
>>> spec so why shouldn't it be "pure" OSGi?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Jacek Laskowski<[email protected]>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>> <[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMHO we should work with blueprint but it shouldn't be mandatory...at
>>>>>
>>>> least
>>>
>>>> from a user point of view (i mean the user can be able to deploy an
>>>>> ejbmodule as a bundle).
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know so much about blueprint so maybe my previous sentence
>>>>>
>>>> doesn't
>>>
>>>> make so sense. If it is the case simply ignore it ;)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ignored :)
>>>>
>>>> It's the same situation when OSGi is embraced for its modularity to
>>>> build application server foundation with no change for an end user. It
>>>> was the case for WAS 6.1 and 7.0 (with Feature Pack), and JBoss AS,
>>>> GlassFish before they exposed it as another framework to build
>>>> enterprise apps with. Blueprint doesn't preclude using a pure OSGi (if
>>>> I'm even allowed to claim there's a pure OSGi). It's still OSGi, but
>>>> with some goodies that help dealing with dynamicity you may have
>>>> suffered from in activators, tracers or similar.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to show a simple change soon. Don't worry about it for now.
>>>>
>>>> Jacek
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacek Laskowski
>>>> Java EE, functional languages and IBM WebSphere - http://blog.japila.pl
>>>> Warszawa JUG conference = Confitura (formerly Javarsovia) ::
>>>>
>>> http://confitura.pl
>>>
>>>> "Hoping to save time by spending it" by David Blevins (Apache OpenEJB)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> [email protected]
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
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