Hello Sebastian, Why do we need this limitation: "Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login"?
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tony, > > this sounds all very reasonable. > > The bottleneck in our calculations are often bandwidth requirements. > Memory/disk usage does pretty much scale linear with number of users, but > bandwidth does more like exponential with the number of concurrent > sessions. > > However I would not be too concerned about the bandwidth, this server is > basically for functional verification, not for load tests. > On an average daily peak there might be maybe 10-20, on a quartly year peak > there might be up to 50 people online at the same time. > > One of the goals would be for instance to run automated Selenium tests > against the server and have a daily builder scripts that installes nightly > snapshots of the application. > > So this should be sufficient for our needs. > > My suggestion would be that we use the LDAP connector of OpenMeetings to > integration with the Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login. This is > something we can set up once we have the server, however we might need some > pointers from Infra to get the right urls/configs in place. > > Thanks! > Sebastian > > > > 2013/9/24 Tony Stevenson <[email protected]> > > > Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes. However it is infra who > > will approve the spec in the first instance. The only real restrictions > > are: > > > > 1 - available resources on the physical host > > 2 - subject to fair use of the resources > > 3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc) > > > > So in my head I woudl say something like : > > > > 2-4 vcpus > > 8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification) > > 100GB disk > > and reasonable use of bandwidth > > > > I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than > > starting points for the conversation to start. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > On 24/09/13 08:49, [email protected] wrote: > > > >> I think they are waiting for a spec. > >> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec? > >> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec? > >> > >> Thanks > >> Sebastian > >> > >> > >> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]> > >> > >> Dear Tony, > >>> > >>> Are the any updates on this topic? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered, > >>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc, > >>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month > >>>> turn-around time. Maybe 6 weeks. > >>>> > >>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages. > >>>> But > >>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <[email protected]> > >>>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Artyom, > >>>>> > >>>>> Tony said, > >>>>> > >>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider > >>>>>> > >>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not > >>>>> > >>>> QoSed > >>> > >>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available > >>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that. > >>>>> > >>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo > >>>>> > >>>> provider? > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >>>>> http://dataved.ru/ > >>>>> +7 916 562 8095 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the > >>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth > is > >>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to > >>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may > add > >>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are > >>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner > bills > >>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located > >>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, > >>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, > >>>>>> http://dataved.ru/ > >>>>>> +7 916 562 8095 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <[email protected] > > > >>>>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> change over > >>>> > >>>>> time, that's why I have asked once again. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted > around. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My > >>> > >>>> intention was to have more > >>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing. However your requirements are > >>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> commit > >>>> > >>>>> too. Sorry. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> provider > >>> > >>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> QoSed > >>>> > >>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> available > >>> > >>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to > 'make > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> it > >>> > >>>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> wouldnt > >>> > >>>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> would > >>> > >>>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany. Would this > be > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> an > >>> > >>>> issue for you? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> honest. > >>> > >>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> you > >>>> > >>>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth > >>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it > >>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to > >>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> svn > >>> > >>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs). It's not that we dont > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> want > >>> > >>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> careful > >>> > >>>> not to over commit them. Bandwith is one such commodity where we > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> need > >>> > >>>> to be careful. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, > while > >>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> might > >>> > >>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> these > >>> > >>>> as > >>>> > >>>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> such > >>> > >>>> a > >>>> > >>>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> work > >>>> > >>>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> VMs > >>>> > >>>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little > >>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Please > >>>> > >>>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 20Mb/s > >>>> > >>>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you > >>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> carefully > >>> > >>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> you. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> snowed > >>> > >>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> say > >>>> > >>>>> "go for it" and let you have at it. I stress 'might' :) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>> Tony > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**---- > >>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66 > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**---- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>> Tony > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**---- > >>>>>>> Tony Stevenson > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66 > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**---- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Tony > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------**---- > >>>> Tony Stevenson > >>>> > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com > >>>> > >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66 > >>>> ------------------------------**---- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> WBR > >>> Maxim aka solomax > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > Tony > > > > ------------------------------**---- > > Tony Stevenson > > > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > > > http://www.pc-tony.com > > GPG - 1024D/51047D66 > > ------------------------------**---- > > > > > > -- > Sebastian Wagner > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock > http://www.webbase-design.de > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com > [email protected] > -- WBR Maxim aka solomax
