I worked with Ian seldomly on the distribution project. The distrbution project manage the CD/p2p and other mediums of distributing OpenOffice.org.
Maybe is a good idea to revive the project and get people involved to set up the seeds as well as donating artwork for the CD. There was a community distributor seal of approval and other goodies like packaging OOoAuthros (now ODFauthors) documentation with it. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:56 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 16 August 2013 19:44, Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:39:16 -0400 > > Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Donald Whytock <dwhyt...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Hagar Delest < > hagar.del...@laposte.net> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> Objet : Re: Microsoft Censors OpenOffice Download Links > >> >> >> Not to speak for them, but I suspect they would point out the fact > >> >> >> that we there are over 100 Apache projects, and they all seem to > do > >> >> >> fine with distribution via the mirrors. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Personally, I'd wonder where this rates with us in terms of > priority. > >> >> >> Compare to, say, forum stability improvements, code signing for > our > >> >> >> installers, and further buildbot coverage, where do torrents rate? > >> >> > > >> >> > Of course it's not a priority. > >> >> > But think about the mechanism of torrent: once it's initiated, it > >> >> spreads by itself without any input needed. I'm not sure we need > powerful > >> >> resources for the seeds, we can even limit the number of uploads I > guess. > >> >> And then let the torrent spread among users. > >> >> > > >> >> > A forum was not in the field of the ASF scope. The AOO forum is > still > >> >> doing and rather well, there is a lot of cooperation and feedback > when > >> >> information is forwarded from on side to the other. So why not make a > >> >> torrent a first for ASF? > >> >> > > >> >> > Please remember that you're handling an office suite, it's not a > niche > >> >> program, it's something that is heavily popular, you tell it > yourself when > >> >> you inform the list about the millions downloads. Ubuntu offers > torrents > >> >> for example. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> AOO is popular. Torrents are not. I bet that <1% of downloads were > >> >> of torrent, when OOo had them. > >> >> > >> >> Remember, a common question from users is "I just downloaded > >> >> OpenOffice and now I cannot find it". So skill level of typical user > >> >> is not ideal for explaining how to download via P2P. > >> >> > >> >> > If ASF does not want to do new things because no other ASF project > has > >> >> even tried, then I'm rather worried about the future. Especially > when on > >> >> the other side LibreOffice has a so efficient team, very good at > marketing > >> >> their project. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> 1. Maybe ask LibreOffice how many torrent downloads they see? That > >> >> would be an interesting number to know. > >> >> > >> >> 2. This is not a question of avoiding doing something new. It is a > >> >> question of prioritization based on cost and benefit. > >> >> > >> >> 3. Torrents are not even new. They are old technology. > >> >> > >> >> 4. There is nothing to prevent someone from seeding a torrent for AOO > >> >> today, right now if you thought it was important. It does not need > to > >> >> come from Apache. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Infra could conceivably create torrents for every ASF distro file, > probably > >> > on an automated basis. Were that to happen, the effort by the AOO TLP > >> > would be nil and the effort proportionally related to AOO would be > >> > negligible. > >> > > >> > Of course, this could take some significant setup effort on Infra's > part, > >> > and if only the AOO torrents were ever used someone might say, "Why > are we > >> > doing this for only one TLP?" > >> > > >> > It would be best if ASF could do it so as to add legitimacy to the > torrent. > >> > Otherwise, if AOO itself was doing it, it would need to be on a > >> > respected/respectable torrent server, such that we could point to it > and > >> > say, "That is the official AOO torrent." > >> > > >> > >> I think that's the key. If it is to be considered "official" then we > >> need sufficient control to ensure that it has not been tampered. What > >> we do right now is have Release Candidates on Apache servers, which > >> are voted on and then copied onto another Apache server for archives, > >> and then rsynced from that Apache server by SourceForge. And all > >> along we have the original digital signature files that can be > >> verified. So it is around as secure as we can go without taking the > >> builds themselves right from Apache-hosted buildbots, which is the > >> next logical step. > >> > >> But honestly my low motivation for this is based on the fact that > >> we're talking about a 150MB file, not a 4GB ISO image. The typical > >> user can download AOO in less time than it took me to write this note. > >> For me it takes longer to install AOO than to download it. So in the > >> grand order of annoyances related to AOO, the download time does not > >> seem to rate very highly. > >> > >> That's my personal opinion. But the nice thing about Apache is this > >> doesn't prevent someone else from moving this forward if they have the > >> motivation. Everyone is able to scratch their own itch here. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > >> > Maybe a cheap 10gig VM? > >> > > >> > Don > > > > With respect, Rob, we don't all live in fibre access broadband areas. I > count myself lucky in having 200KB/sec access; there are those who are > still stuck with 56KB modems on bad dial-up lines. My OpenOffice download > is typically 12-14 minutes. > > But would a torrent improve the download times over slow links? > Surely the limiting factor is the link speed in that case, as any > download servers would have a much higher bandwidth. > > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org
