On Sep 10, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2013, at 4:46 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >>> >>>> On 23/08/2013 janI wrote: >>>>> On 22 August 2013 23:51, Alexandro Colorado<j...@oooes.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> just get a final confirmation if there a 'go' on the Wiki logo >>> update >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> was reverted due to a regression by infra when setting the SVN. >>>>> Infra did not revert anything. >>>>> As you very well know the revert on wiki was done by me, because >>>>> a) the logos was installed in a wrong place, that made updates very >>>>> difficult >>>>> b) the standard procedure to make a backup/commit was not followed >>>>> All something that had nothing to do with consensus, but how admins >>> work on >>>>> the vm. >>>> >>>> I'm coming late to this part of the discussion, but this was definitely >>> the right thing to do. We care about a professional-level maintenance of >>> our Infrastructure (and actually Apache Infra demands and enforces it). >>> Everyone can make mistakes, but when we can correct them we must do so. And >>> this is the "technical" part. >>> >>> I agree. My default position is that I support Jan's sysadmin work. For >>> me silence is assent. I'll make it clear here. >>> >>>> >>>>> I respects these concerns and feel reel consensus is >>>>> much more important than a technicality, even if it takes 400+ hours. >>>>> As vm-admin, I will not install a new logo and/or change html/css >>> before I >>>>> see a broad acceptance. Other vm-admins might feel different. >>>> >>>> And now coming to the "community" part: this was very right too. An >>> administrator must check consensus before doing changes. And consensus >>> reaching may well take weeks (the larger and simpler the issue -and this is >>> "large" since it affects several sites and "simple" since everybody can >>> have a say- the longer the discussion). >>>> >>>> The important thing is that eventually we get things done! Hagar >>> restarted the constructive discussion at >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523 recently >>> and I hope we can move forward there. >>> >> >> That discussion only applies to forum. >> >> >> >>> >>> When the decision is made please bring it back here and flag it with a >>> [CONSENSUS] subject tag. We can then test that here and then proceed after >>> the consensus is proven. >>> >> >> There has been 0 comments on the wiki proposal. Is this a consensus? >> >> >> >>> >>> Either way we should be vetting the new html, it's look, etc. The >>> sysadmin team is then responsible for implementation on MWiki and forums >>> and communication about that to the appropriate lists. The admin team is >>> responsible for maintaining these servers and needs to manage all >>> configuration changes in a manner that any server can be rebuilt from >>> scratch using private svn archives including a runbook and data backups. >>> This has to be co-ordinated. A change that is apparently simple and >>> seemingly 10 minutes is not. Sysadmins are correct to insist on process >>> here. Volunteer sysadmins even more so. Don't expect them to be happy if >>> you make them "volunteer" when they have real plans and other activities. >>> >>> But, Alexandro seems to want to discuss a full branding change to all AOO >>> assets if that is so then that decision must be made on this list, is much >>> larger and it requires a full proposal with willingness to discuss >>> everyone's ideas. >>> >> >> There has been no comments on this list for the wiki logo proposal. >> Which should by default be a Consensus AFAIK, that's the 'lazy' part of >> the consensus. >> >> >> >>> >>> In that case the co-ordination is large and complete consensus followed >>> by a conversion plan is required. >>> >> >> It seems there is no timeline, even if there is no comments, things are >> not getting done. The process is pretty much broken, since there seems to >> be no actual consensus process beside "waiting" which has been done, and >> still hasn't been applied. >> >> >> >>> >>> - Sysadmin team >>> MWiki >>> Forums >>> - Committers >>> Websites >>> - Infra / bz admins >>> Bugzilla >>> - PMC / Infra >>> CWiki >>> Blogs >>> - Sourceforge >>> Extensions >>> Templates >>> >> >> ATM there is only proposed patches for Mwiki, Forum index and Forum >> logos. Extensions and Templates were already updated on Roberto's design. >> >> Blogs logos were somewhat updated without much discussion (AFAIK). >> > > > And so we go on, there has been 3 days with no further commnts to the > discussion. The Wiki has been ready to go, and there is nobody actually > approving/implementing the patch.
You may have noticed that there has been a negative impact on the sysadmin side due to the prior attempt to force a change. Please look into Kay's decision making thread as well as the thread on the sysadmin side. Regards, Dave > > > >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Andrea. >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> Apache OpenOffice Contributor >> http://www.openoffice.org >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > http://www.openoffice.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
