Regarding notifying Canonical... I'd be happy to do so, as I'm sure others would. Just need to get a single assignee for it. I'd be curious to hear why they wouldn't include AOO as a trusted package, if they did decline the offer.
louis On 2 December 2013 13:15, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Has anyone offered to put AOO into the Ubuntu software centre as a trusted >> package automatically available? If not and there was no refusal to >> cooperate I don;t see how you can say Ubuntu truncates the freedom of the >> user. Anyone is free to do with Ubuntu the same things as with any other >> distro, as with all distros, somethings are easier to implement for >> non-geeks than others. I should think Ubuntu scores pretty highly on that >> score as it probably has more non-geek users than any other. >> > > Not that I recall...we have volunteers working on a Fedora effort. > > Maybe we need an "Announcement" for this? > > @Andrea re the porting info...this is not added to any of our normal > installation areas --- I'll add it it to some of the "normal" installation > areas. > > >> >> On 2 December 2013 03:20, Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi Glenn, >> > >> > On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:45, Glenn Harvey Liwanag < >> > glennharveyliwa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Pardon for not reading the whole thread, but is Ubuntu not shipped with >> > > AOO? Last time I installed Ubuntu, it had AOO. Or was it LibreOffice? >> > >> > LibreOffice. >> > The issue here, and this is by no means within the proper scope of the >> > subject line (sigh), is that Ubuntu (or should I say, Canonical) makes it >> > hard for naive users (that is, those who are not inclined to use command >> > line interfaces) to replace the LibreOffice default offering with Apache >> > OpenOffice. >> > >> > It is by no means impossible and we've replied on several occasions with >> > instructions how to do this, but these, afaik, are not posted to the >> > download page, nor is the information about what is delivered with Ubuntu >> > there. >> > >> > I have no real—well, okay, I do, a little—problem with LibreOffice being >> > the default. I have a problem with any OS that so truncates the freedom >> of >> > the user as Ubuntu does, and yet claims to work with and for a community >> > that supposedly contributes to instituting freedom, not something more >> > ironic. >> > >> > louis >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > >> We use Ubuntu throughout the company and don't have any problems with >> > it - >> > >> well certainly no more than Windows and Apple Users seem to have. I >> > suggest >> > >> if AOO is difficult to install in Ubuntu for a non-developer its >> really >> > up >> > >> to those that have the skills and knowledge to change that..well that >> > >> assumes that the project isn't just giving up on Ubuntu and leaving it >> > to >> > >> LO. I have to say AOO is one of the most difficult to install >> > applications >> > >> on Ubuntu. We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it. Depends >> on >> > >> whether the Ubuntu market is seen as important because companies like >> > ours >> > >> are not going to switch platforms just to run AOO. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On 1 December 2013 23:25, Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >>> On 01-Dec-2013, at 18:03, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> Some distros make it very difficult for the typical Linux end user >> to >> > >>>> install anything NOT in the distro's repository. This is NOT why I >> > >>>> switched to Linux, I can assure you. >> > >>> >> > >>> It's only—only—been my experience with Ubuntu. With *all* other >> > LInuxes, >> > >> I >> > >>> get joy. (I've not used all there are, I refer just to those I've >> used; >> > >> and >> > >>> at that, via my virtualized environment. Ubuntu pretends to the ease >> of >> > >> OS >> > >>> X but is actually more—!!—tight with proprietary constraints, if you >> > can >> > >>> imagine that: if it don't come from Canonical, it ain't canonical.) >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> (At any rate, that's what I would mean. Given the choice of OSs, >> for >> > a >> > >>> lot >> > >>>>> of stuff I tend toward Linux. It's easier. But I tend then toward >> > >>>>> non-Canonical Linuxes. Even easier.) >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> And try installing OOo in the latest Ubuntu *as a non-developer.* >> > Tell >> > >>> us >> > >>>>> about it :-). >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I have only used one Linux distro since I started. I do not use >> Ubuntu >> > >>> and >> > >>>> likely never will. I got away from MS because of all kinds of >> > >>> restrictions >> > >>>> and I don't need to trade one environment like that for another. >> > >>> >> > >>> Quite. And I love Linux (and also, for that matter, OS X) because >> it's >> > >>> logical in its layout and thus easy to navigate, work with, use. >> > Whereas >> > >> I >> > >>> dislike MSFT's Windows because it is seemingly arbitrary in layout >> and >> > >>> operation; and though one can finally *get* that its logic is about >> > >>> property (MY MY MY things), still, one must then deal with mairzy >> doats >> > >> and >> > >>> dozy doats and liddle lazy divey and not mares and does and lambs >> > >> scarfing >> > >>> oats & ivy.) >> > >>> >> > >>> louis >> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Ian >> > >> >> > >> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications < >> > >> https://theingots.org/community/faq#7.0> >> > >> >> > >> Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables >> > >> >> > >> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 >> > >> >> > >> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, Unit 4D Gagarin, Lichfield >> > >> Road Industrial Estate, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 7GN. 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