On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:29 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On Thursday, February 19, 2015, Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote: > >> I need to posting on the top because I don't know which one I should use >> as every 3 minutes new postings are coming. Sorry. >> >> >> >> As it is still not clear if we discuss about that the content is too >> aggressive or just the disclaimer is too unclear, I've moved the disclaimer >> to the top, made it red and used Jan's wording as template to make it >> hopefully clear what it is. >> >> At least for the moment, the intension about the page should be clear now. > > THANKS. > > >> >> But the following is still not clear. Unless it is not clarified IMHO we >> are discussing in circles: >> >> - Who is it that do not like the content? > > among others > jim who is v.p. legal and talk on behalf of the foundation in this case > myself > >> - How many people do we speak about since the webpage is online? > > not a lot, but point is v.p. legal of apache feel we break rules, and that > os more important than the numbers > >> - Which text parts are exacly wrong or just badly described? > > I think (renark the word) that it is because we compare licences. ASF At > large do not do this kind of comparing, and definitively not at project > level. > > > rob@ I am +1 on calling a vote, but I eould realky prefer we could settle > this without, a vote builds fronts and we need a lot more to work together. > > I have offered 2 solutions, including being very flexible in the wording of > the disclaimer, I will leave it up to you to either call a vote or work > with us all to find a solution. >
If there is consensus on the disclaimer then I'm fine with that. If someone has a better way of arguing the benefits of ALv2 in this context, then that's fine as well. My -1 is only on "let's just delete Rob's work because I'm annoyed by too many emails about it". And, as I've said, I'll accept the results of a PMC vote over my veto. And needless to say, my veto on deletion implies my willingness to help implement an alternative approach, if we can agree on what would be acceptable. -Rob > Please suggest a compromise, that satisfies people like jim (in short keep > ASF happy) and is something you can accept. i am easy, if ASF is happy I am > happy. > > tgds > jan i > > > >> Thanks >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >> Am 02/19/2015 04:10 PM, schrieb jan i: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> We have a page http://www.openoffice.org/why/why_compliance.html which >>> seems to be like a red carpet to a number of people. >>> >>> There are of course people who do not like the page because they would >>> like >>> another license to have the headline, they are not my concern (as long as >>> the page we produce are correct). >>> >>> There are also people (myself included) that feel this page can too easily >>> be misread as expressing the view of ASF and AOO. >>> >>> The page has lately been changed and among other a line at the bottom has >>> been added: >>> " >>> >>> *The Apache Software Foundation does not take a position on, recommend or >>> advise the use or non-use of any particular software license or family of >>> licenses."* >>> Surely that is enough in legal terms indicate that the page is the opinion >>> of somebody not ASF. But for many they see this as the normal disclaimer >>> and being on the bottom many do not even read it. >>> >>> We as a project cannot and should not speak on behalf of ASF, nor should >>> we >>> have web pages that causes longer negative discussions (I cannot refer to >>> the mails on private@ and elsewhere, but only say that lately we talk >>> about >>> a lot of mails). >>> >>> I, as PMC member, do not see the need for a page that causes this kind of >>> discussions, and would prefer to see it removed....however a statement on >>> top of the page saying something like: >>> "This page do not reflect the opinion of ASF or the AOO PMC" >>> would at least stop the negative discussions. >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > > -- > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
