Whatever you want. I'm done.

> On Sep 10, 2026, at 6:54 AM, Peter Kovacs <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Am 10. September 2026 12:24:19 MESZ schrieb Jim Jagielski <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>:
>> On our builds, yes of course. But we should not force someone who downloads 
>> the source and builds for themselves to also sign that.
>> 
>> Traditionally, we've always signed after we build as a separate process from 
>> building the community build DMGs.
>> 
>> Hopefully that's a bit more clear :) 
> Ok. And what solution do you propose?
> Apple says packaging involves signing. You can not change that.
> I am for we release proper signed software or none at all. There is no in 
> between anymore. 
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>>> On Sep 10, 2026, at 5:59 AM, Peter Kovacs <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> Am 10. September 2026 11:47:21 MESZ schrieb Jim Jagielski 
>>> <[email protected]>:
>>>> I can't imagine the regular user wanting/needing to sign...
>>> Sorry maybe I was not clear.
>>> I think we should enforce signing on all builds.
>>> The user can always see if that build is from us or someone else. 
>>> Development builds will always trigger the gatekeeper.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 10, 2026, at 5:38 AM, Peter Kovacs <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>> Am 10. September 2026 11:30:18 MESZ schrieb Jim Jagielski 
>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
>>>>>> I am also wondering if the actual signing script itself should be in 
>>>>>> devtools, somewhere under release-scripts instead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The process ist to sign the app, then package the image, and then you 
>>>>> need to sign again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would rather enforce signing to be mandatory.
>>>>> What we could put into Devtools maybe is the notarize of the installer. 
>>>>> Which publishes the release at Apple. I guess. And then we could think 
>>>>> about a process to publish in the store.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cool work.
>>>>> Yes. I hope this will
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2026, at 5:14 AM, Jim Jagielski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there any way you could pull out just the signing bits into a 
>>>>>>> separate commit?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2026, at 12:26 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> "This is an outrage!"
>>>>>>                     Tony Harrison
>>>>>> 
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