On 2009.03.17. 19:56, Mathias Bauer wrote:
Hi,

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote:

Hi all,

Thorsten Ziehm wrote:
...
IMHO, we do not find critical problems (show stoppers) in DEV builds very early, only half of them are found early according to my experience.
Some data about the show stoppers, which I have fixed in the last days:

thinking about time when bugs are found i got reminded about one issue - actually getting the dev/testing builds. i'll admit ignorance about how these things are handled, but that might also help to understand how many possible testers would see it. from my point of view, dev snapshots aren't always available fast enough, and quite often in dev series only every other build is available to public. of course, this means less testing and testing later in the development process.

for example, currently supposedly OOO310_m6 is available, public download - m5

supposedly DEV300_m43 is available, public download - m41

ideally, dev snapshouts would be built & distributed automatically as soon as possible, and all of them. otherwise testers of development versions will either always come in later in the cycle, or only dedicated qa involved people will do testing, who know where/how to get a more recent dev snapshot - but that probably wouldn't quite qualify as a sufficient real world usage...

ISSUE           INTRODUCED IN           FOUND IN
i99822          DEV300m2 (2008-03-12)   OOO310m3 (2009-02-26)

i99876          DEV300m30 (2008-08-25)  OOO310m3

i99665          DEV300m39 (2009-01-16)  OOO310m3

i100043         OOO310m1                OOO310m4 (2009-03-04)

i100014         OOO310m2                OOO310m4

i100132         DEV300m38 (2008-12-22)  OOO310m4

i100035         SRCm248 (2008-02-21)    OOO310m4
This issue is special, because it was a memory problem, that by accident was not detected. Thus, it should not be counted in this statistic.

Looking at this concrete data, I personally can say that we find more or less half of the show stoppers early.

I'm currently investigating the blocker list. Here's a rough summary:
from 77 issues 42 have been introduced before feature freeze (IIRC that
was in DEV300_m39). 9 issues are regression on the OOO310 code line, the
others still are not classified, but I'm working on it. I will follow up
with the complete results later.

Interestingly a considerable amount of showstoppers have been present
already in 3.0.1, some in 3.0 and a very few even in older versions.
Some of them even weren't regressions at all.

An interesting problem is

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100235

This issue was introduced very early (DEV300_m26 or so), but couldn't be
found before we had localized builds.

Regards,
Mathias
--
 Rich

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