I'm in favor of inlining parquet.thrift overall so my reply below is
blocking.

I'm not sure if we have explored making parquet-format as a git submodule
in the parquet-java. Then we can point to a commit hash without any script
to
validate the thrift file. It would also be easy to validate if that commit
belongs to a release tag when releasing parquet-java.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2026 at 6:29 AM Ryan Blue <[email protected]> wrote:

> I just approved the PR that Div opened (linked in his email).
>
> Right now, the PR updates the build to use a local copy of the thrift file
> and adds a script to download new copies from parquet-format. New copies
> are specified by commit hash or by a ref, and the resolved version is
> tracked in a parquet-format.version file.
>
> The script makes it easy to update to the latest copy, but rather than
> having scripts to check and diff the local copy I suggested that we use
> `git` instead. Since the file is version controlled, we have very good
> tools to view changes and history already.
>
> I'd like to merge this soon, unless there are objections. Please take a
> look at the PR if you're interested.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2026 at 2:02 PM Divjot Arora via dev <
> [email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I've put up a PR [1] to inline parquet.thrift into parquet-java and
> > remove the upstream
> > dependency on parquet-format. There are some scripts to help manage
> > upgrading the inlined
> > copy as well as to check whether it references a released parquet-format
> > version. Please take
> > a look if interested, I look forward to any feedback.
> >
> > Best,
> > Div
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/apache/parquet-java/pull/3709
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 12:25 PM Divjot Arora <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the input folks. I agree we want to keep this discussion
> > > focused on
> > > parquet-java's use of parquet.thrift rather than the versioning cadence
> > of
> > > parquet-format.
> > > I'll start a POC so we can discuss specifics. My thinking is that there
> > > should be some
> > > script to update the inlined version to match a commit hash in
> > > parquet-format. The main
> > > branch can track parquet-format commits without any issue (this will
> > allow
> > > reference
> > > implementations for new features to actually get merged). I can look
> into
> > > a release-time
> > > check to ensure that released versions of parquet-java strictly track
> > > released versions of
> > > parquet.format.
> > >
> > > -- Div
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 7:47 PM Julien Le Dem <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 10:30 AM Ryan Blue <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > > I think we should also make more frequent releases of
> > parquet-format.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'd like to keep this a separate topic from how we work with the
> > thrift
> > >> > file in parquet-java so that we can move forward independently. We
> > don't
> > >> > need to know how parquet-format is released to agree that we want to
> > be
> > >> > able to build against newer structures without a formal release,
> just
> > >> like
> > >> > the other implementations do.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Fair enough.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > > What is the mechanism to track what version of parquet-format,
> > >> > parquet-java
> > >> > depends on?
> > >> >
> > >> > Like the other projects, I don't think we track a specific version
> of
> > >> the
> > >> > one from parquet-format, since we may pick changes that have not
> been
> > >> > released (as that's the pain point we're trying to solve).
> > >> >
> > >> > That said, I suggest that we sync the format into parquet-java when
> > the
> > >> > upstream format is released, if not sooner. We should always use a
> > >> version
> > >> > that corresponds to a parquet-format commit to avoid drift.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> Either in the main branch of parquet-java or at a minimum in releases
> of
> > >> parquet-java we should have an automated check that this file is in
> sync
> > >> with an official release of parquet-format.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Ryan
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 10:21 AM Julien Le Dem <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hello,
> > >> > > I'm strongly in favor of enabling a passing build on PRs like
> #3610
> > >> > > What is the mechanism to track what version of parquet-format,
> > >> > > parquet-java depends on? Is there a check to track discrepancies
> or
> > >> > drift?
> > >> > > A
> > >> > > POC would help clarify this.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Separately, I think we should also make more frequent releases of
> > >> > > parquet-format.
> > >> > > That could be formalized in our new versioning process.
> > >> > > In particular every time we merge a new change to the thrift file,
> > we
> > >> > could
> > >> > > systematically create a new minor-patch release of Parquet format
> > with
> > >> > the
> > >> > > addition in preview or experimental depending where we're at.
> > >> > > The documentation would clarify whether a new optional field is
> part
> > >> of
> > >> > the
> > >> > > official version yet or not.
> > >> > > That would decouple publishing versioned artifacts and declaring
> > >> > something
> > >> > > part of the next official version.
> > >> > > (and independently of that we can either depend on a tagged
> version
> > of
> > >> > the
> > >> > > file rather than the maven artifact)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 7:42 AM Russell Spitzer <
> > >> > [email protected]
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > +1 for all the reasons stated above.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 10:21 PM Gang Wu <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > I'm in favor of this proposal.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > PoCing a Java implementation in the current setup is painful.
> CI
> > >> > builds
> > >> > > > > will
> > >> > > > > always fail, and PRs cannot merge before releasing a new
> > >> > parquet-format
> > >> > > > > jar.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Best,
> > >> > > > > Gang
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2026 at 8:46 PM Antoine Pitrou <
> > >> [email protected]>
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Le 21/07/2026 à 14:05, Andrew Lamb a écrit :
> > >> > > > > > > As a maintainer of arrow-rs 's Parquet implementation, my
> > >> > > experience
> > >> > > > > has
> > >> > > > > > > been that our copy of parquet.thrift (rather than a
> > >> dependency)
> > >> > has
> > >> > > > > > worked
> > >> > > > > > > great, and we have never had an issue with this scheme
> that
> > I
> > >> can
> > >> > > > > > remember
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > We do the same in Arrow C++ and never had any problem with
> it
> > >> > either.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Regards
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Antoine.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Andrew
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2026 at 7:19 AM Divjot Arora via dev <
> > >> > > > > > [email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >> Hi folks,
> > >> > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > >> The parquet-java project currently declares a dependency
> > on a
> > >> > > pinned
> > >> > > > > > >> version of parquet-format and dynamically pulls in the
> > >> > > > parquet.thrift
> > >> > > > > > file
> > >> > > > > > >> for the pinned version.
> > >> > > > > > >> This makes it impossible to validate and merge PRs to
> > support
> > >> > new
> > >> > > > > > features
> > >> > > > > > >> that have been merged into parquet-format but are not yet
> > >> part
> > >> > of
> > >> > > an
> > >> > > > > > >> official parquet-format
> > >> > > > > > >> release (
> https://github.com/apache/parquet-java/pull/3610
> > >> is an
> > >> > > > > > example).
> > >> > > > > > >> In contrast, the arrow-rs and arrow-cpp projects have a
> > >> vendored
> > >> > > > copy
> > >> > > > > of
> > >> > > > > > >> parquet.thrift in their
> > >> > > > > > >> repos, which allows them to bypass this problem. What do
> > >> folks
> > >> > > think
> > >> > > > > > about
> > >> > > > > > >> adopting this vendored approach in parquet-java?
> > >> > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > >> -- Div Arora
> > >> > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

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