For 0.13, can we get 

PIG-3508 (covered by Daniel's PIG-3545)
Otherwise, "explain" would show pre-optimized logical plan in 0.13.

> I can wrap a 0.12.1 release in a couple of weeks.
>
Great! 

Koji



On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:11 PM, Daniel Dai <da...@hortonworks.com> wrote:

> Ok, it seems to leave no choice for a sooner 0.14.0 release then.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Julien Le Dem <jul...@ledem.net> wrote:
>> We can't use SNAPSHOT releases as dependencies of our official releases.
>> They can change and disappear.
>> Let's use the official release of hive when it's available.
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Daniel Dai wrote:
>> 
>>> I can also use a hive 0.13.0 SNAPSHOT in PIG-3558, and then switch to
>>> a released version later. Seems that's much easier.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Daniel Dai <da...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>>>> That works. I will roll a 0.14.0 release as soon as Hive 0.13.0 released.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Julien Le Dem <jul...@ledem.net> wrote:
>>>>> I think it would be OK to release Pig 0.14 soon after if you want new 
>>>>> features in.
>>>>> It's not more work to release 0.14 than 0.13.1 and that keeps the 
>>>>> semantic versioning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Daniel Dai wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hive-0.13.0 will be release sometime March AFAIK. If we cannot make
>>>>>> PIG-3558 to Pig 0.13.0, I still want to put in Pig 0.13.1, though it
>>>>>> is a new feature.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Other than those listed Jiras, there are also several unit
>>>>>> tests/system tests failures (eg, TestHBaseStorage) we need to fix.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Aniket Mokashi <aniket...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sounds good. Do we know a timeline for Hive-0.13 release? If its not too
>>>>>>> far, we can try to do Pig-0.13 it a few weeks after that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So far we have following jiras to wrap up before Pig-0.13 release.
>>>>>>> PIG-3591
>>>>>>> PIG-3740
>>>>>>> PIG-3745
>>>>>>> PIG-3347
>>>>>>> PIG-3731
>>>>>>> PIG-3558
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any other? We can start marking jiras with corresponding version 
>>>>>>> numbers.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Daniel Dai <da...@hortonworks.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'd like to get PIG-3558 in, which depends on HIVE-0.13.0 release in
>>>>>>>> weeks. Otherwise I am fine with a Pig 0.13.0 release.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I can wrap a 0.12.1 release in a couple of weeks.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Gianmarco De Francisci Morales
>>>>>>>> <g...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> +1 on releasing a 0.13 and if somebody feels strongly about releasing 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> 0.12.1 that fixes PIG-3492 I am +1 on that too.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Gianmarco
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 13 February 2014 03:08, Dmitriy Ryaboy <dvrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So I think we agree that we should branch 0.13 at this point, right?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (and possibly look at releasing an incremental bump to 12 or 10? I'm 
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> sure what should be included there but I support the general idea).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Koji Noguchi <knogu...@yahoo-inc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Releasing 0.13 and 0.10.1 is totally independent in my opinion
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I should have referenced my previous request on including 0.10.1 on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> top release page.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@pig.apache.org/msg20629.html
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> By minor I meant 0.13
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.10.1 is a bug fix release.
>>>>>>>>>>>> as in Major.Minor.BugFix
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I see. Then I should have said,
>>>>>>>>>>> "but I'd like to request we make BugFix releases more often."
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for correcting my mistake.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Koji
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Julien Le Dem <jul...@ledem.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Releasing 0.13 and 0.10.1 is totally independent in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It just takes the time of a committer that needs the release to
>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>> to do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> By minor I meant 0.13
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.10.1 is a bug fix release.
>>>>>>>>>>>> as in Major.Minor.BugFix
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Major version is still 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Koji Noguchi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To add to the discussion, I think we should release more often,
>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>> on time elapsed rather than volume of change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have preference on the frequency, but I'd like to request
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> make minor releases more often.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this moment, stable pig release (to me) is still 0.10.1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.11.1 and 0.12.0 both have regression bug PIG-3492 that caused
>>>>>>>>>>> multiple production pig scripts in our clusters to fail randomly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (unless user is disabling ColumnMapKeyPrune)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If releasing 0.13 means 0.10.1 gets kicked out from the front
>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>> list, I'd like to see minor release on 0.11 or 0.12 first.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koji
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Cheolsoo Park <piaozhe...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 to 0.13 release. Why not if someone is volunteering?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Julien Le Dem <jul...@ledem.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To add to the discussion, I think we should release more often,
>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time elapsed rather than volume of change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The more often we release, the easier it is to release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also that makes it easier for contributors to use their own
>>>>>>>>>>> contributions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in official releases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is also probably a good idea to have a clean starting point
>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merging the Tez branch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, I think those changes by themselves are enough to
>>>>>>>>>> warrant a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minor release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julien
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Dmitriy Ryaboy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Major updates since we release 12 that are currently in trunk:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - lazy output (don't generate empty part files)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - jar caching optimization
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - automatic local mode for small job (big wall-clock wins for
>>>>>>>>>>> long-tail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobs)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - improved support for BigInteger, BigDecimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - hbase loader improvements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - debug mode that leaves temp files around for examination (!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - fixes to a few nasty bugs (PIG-3641)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - pluggable execution engine allowing work like Tez and Spork
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - .. and more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd say this justifies a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Aniket Mokashi <
>>>>>>>>>> aniket...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List I mentioned is pending tasks before we can make a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A complete list of contributions can be seen at -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/pig/trunk/CHANGES.txt?view=markup
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of the things that make it a good candidate for a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - PIG-3419 (has several backwards incompatible api changes)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - PIG-2672
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - PIG-3642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - PIG-3463
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - PIG-3511
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - PIG-3657
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aniket
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Olga Natkovich <
>>>>>>>>>>> onatkov...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just going by the list that Aniket provided, I don't really
>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full release. Two mentioned JIRAs are doc updates and one
>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>> bug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that was ported into Pig 12.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 3:13 PM, Aniket Mokashi <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aniket...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A good number of improvements and bug fixes have gone into
>>>>>>>> trunk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to know if we can roll out a Pig 0.13 release around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mid-March?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware that we are planning to merge tez branch into 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trunk
>>>>>>>>>>> soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, making a release before tez branch is merged will be
>>>>>>>>>>> good. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Following are few jiras we need to wrap up before 0.13
>>>>>>>> release-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PIG-3591
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PIG-3740
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PIG-3745
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PIG-3347
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PIG-3731
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any other?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aniket
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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