+1 to delete -----Original Message----- From: Yegor Kozlov [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:06 AM To: POI Developers List Subject: Re: Please remove my file from your svn
Do we have a consensus to delete this file from svn ? If there are no any other opinions I will do so within 24 hours. Yegor (with POI PMC chair hat on) On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Chris, > > I am on both the Apache POI and the Apache OpenOffice PMC. Action will be > taken. > > As a producer of PPT and PPTX files along with other Office documents we > have always done our best to try to consume documents created by any > producer including OpenOffice.org. I wonder if a PPT produced by the > current Apache OpenOffice 4 would show this same solved bug. > > No doubt a POI developer will remove this test case very soon and it will > no longer be in our svn and will not be in our next release. True mirrors > will catch up. > > (Have you looked at Apache Solr, Mahout, or Hadoop? You quote a paper from > Doug Cutting an inventor of Hadoop, which was named after his child's top > elephant.) > > Regards, > Dave > > On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Nirk Niggler wrote: > > > Chris: > > > > If you read my reply, you would see that I actually agree with you. If > > Raiko cannot certify that the file can be distributed under the same > > license terms as Apache POI, the file should be removed. > > > > I asked for clarification because IP issues in academia are rarely > > clear-cut. For example, if you received a scholarship of any sort (or > were > > part of a funded graduate program), exception 5.1.3 would actually apply > > unless you obtained a written statement as described in section 5.4 (and > > this would be an exercise in futility) > > > > That being said, if you are serious about going down this route, I would > > also suggest suggest going after others who are hosting the file, such as > > docstoc > > > http://www.docstoc.com/docs/24138033/Tagging-with-Hidden-Markov-Models(shared > > by rbb85147 > > http://www.docstoc.com/profile/rbb85147) and going after others that > have > > publicly available mirrors of POI. A quick search on github reveals a > few > > mirrors, including: > > > > - > > > https://github.com/orione/POI/blob/master/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt > > - > > > https://github.com/samchuang/zkpoi/blob/master/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt > > - > > > https://github.com/tay204/VendorInterface/blob/master/poi-3.9/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Chris Demwell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Hi Nirk, > >> > >> I would like to reiterate that this file is probably of negative value > to > >> you: I have mentioned this is *not a Microsoft Office file* and > therefore > >> seems unlikely to be a good test case for your project. > >> > >> I am disappointed that I have to go into this: regardless of any terms > of > >> ownership between SFU and myself, the ASF and the POI project are not > party > >> to those terms. In any case, as it happens I'm aware of the terms from > SFU > >> and sought such clarification immediately upon enrolment. This content > was > >> a talk I gave as part of a special topics discussion course and not as > >> "homework". The terms can be seen at > >> http://www.sfu.ca/policies/gazette/research/r30-03.html - specifically, > >> section 5.1 applies: > >> > >> "5.1 Although the University has the right to require assignment of an > >> interest in IP created by a University Member through the use of its > >> resources, the full ownership of IP and all rights pertaining to > ownership > >> are vested in the Creator, unless the Creator has entered into an > agreement > >> with the University to the contrary." > >> > >> There are several exceptions listed, none of which apply to this file. > This > >> is my IP, and more importantly it is not yours, nor Raiko's, nor do you > >> have license from SFU. Other than that I think we agree about the legal > >> situation. The waters are not muddy, you do not have license to this > file. > >> > >> Please remove it from your svn history or inform me that you don't > intend > >> to do so. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Nirk Niggler <[email protected] > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> Chris: > >>> > >>> A cursory google search reveals that this was part of a class project > and > >>> is publicly available at > >>> http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~anoop/courses/CMPT-882-Fall-2002/chris.ppt, > which > >>> somewhat muddies the waters (you'd have to get clarification from your > >>> school regarding the IP rights associated with class homework and > >> projects). > >>> > >>> Eric: > >>> > >>> While there is no obvious confidential information in the document, the > >>> original contributor Raiko Eckstein violated the terms of the bugzilla > < > >>> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi> > >>> > >>>> "Certify that any object code, source code, patch, documentation, etc. > >>> that you may supply to an Apache project can be redistributed under the > >>> same license terms and conditions as the project itself." > >>> > >>> That alone should be grounds for removal. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Eric Peters <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I have nothing to do with the POI Apache project, other than being a > >> user, > >>>> never contributed, nor have anything to associate other than being on > >> this > >>>> mailing list - but I'd say chill the f*** out. > >>>> > >>>> The relative harms for the debug test file is probably negligible, and > >> in > >>>> the grand scheme of things, its probably not using your IP at all, > >> rather > >>>> the factual bytes that were generated by OpenOffice, or usable under > US > >>>> Fair Use, as long as the (which is the same/similar file type to MS > >>>> Powerpoint, which is sort of the point of the example file) > >>>> > >>>> Your copyright standpoint on the file, its feasible to recreate the > PPT > >> to > >>>> re-illustrate the failed code, that might have some similarities to > your > >>>> original file but not be a byte-by-byte representation of the code, > and > >> it > >>>> wouldn't pass a copyright muster (assuming you even filed for > copyright > >>>> protections) > >>>> > >>>> Take a deep breath, and find something productive to do. > >>>> > >>>> -Eric > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Chris Demwell <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> In 2007, someone uploaded my IP to your bug tracker in > >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=41357 - that > >> person > >>>> did > >>>>> not have license to use my IP, and therefore you also do not. You > >>>> continue > >>>>> to host that file in your svn: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/poi/trunk/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt- > >>>>> please remove it from your svn history. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would also point out that someone sending you a file to help you > >>>> solve a > >>>>> bug does not automatically or implicitly grant the legal right to use > >>>> the > >>>>> file for any other purpose, store, and certainly not republish the > >> file. > >>>>> You are likely illegally republishing other files as part of the test > >>>>> directory in your svn and I humbly suggest that your only course of > >>>> action > >>>>> is to remove those files that you do not explicitly know that you are > >>>>> licensed to redistribute. > >>>>> > >>>>> Much more collegially, that PPT was an export from OpenOffice.org > (ie, > >>>> not > >>>>> created by MS Powerpoint) and therefore may not be an appropriate > test > >>>> file > >>>>> for your project. I'm sorry if this has caused you any consternation > >> in > >>>>> designing or maintaining your project. Thanks for your contributions > >> to > >>>>> open source software - while I don't use POI I still have great > >> respect > >>>> for > >>>>> your work. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris Demwell > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
